Rayvin

This is encouraging but still, there's time left and as you mentioned before, the DUP might be moving (and they would carry 10).

EU confirm we can leave with just the withdrawal agreement...

Because of course they are. So if we avoid this, it will be through the sheer incompetence of the diehard ERGs. The whole thing is just ludicrous.

At this point, surely any Labour MP that votes for this deal, in full knowledge that it probably means Boris Johnson as PM, has to be kicked to the curb at the next election. Anyway, if the DUP are voting it down alongside what, about 30 ERG extremists? So she'd need something like the same number of Labour rebels. I think that would be completely unforgivable from Labour.

Fair enough.

SNP slamming Labour MPs now for considering voting for the deal. EDIT - There seems to be some serious concern that a significant number of Labour MPs might go that way actually... surely not?

I recall that the EU's offer only referenced the withdrawal agreement. But you're right, whether that's legally the position or not, I don't know - but again, you would think the EU would have clarified if the Tories had jumped the gun on it. Anyway, it's still going to die. The DUP seem hard against and Bill Cash (No Dealer) was just up refusing to vote for it. Short of a significant number of Labour rebels, she's still fucked.

Tory strategy for today appears to be threatening MPs with the prospect that voting the deal down today could lead to a straight choice between No Deal or Revoke, since there is 'no guarantee that the EU would give us an extension'. I note that none of the EU politicians have come out with anything reassuring about this today so far, but they have done previously.

Seems CT is in good company with other Tories voters (well, members anyway) The month before last, 19 per cent of Party member respondents to our survey said that the agreement was acceptable to them. Last month, the total saying that MPs should vote for it touched 40 per cent. This month, it has reached 60 per cent. That’s the first time the deal has obtained the backing of a majority of replies in any form. Three in five is a clear-cut margin – although over one in three party members remain opposed, if our survey is anything to go by. Hard to accuse Tory voters of consistency, it has to be said.

Well you never know if some serious momentum gets behind Remain. Anyway, tbf to Nick Brown he voted for everything he should have last night apart from abstaining on revoking A50.

All Tories/DUP I assume? Did half expect to see Hoey's name in there, since she's usually synonymous with disappointment with MPs.

I dunno man, I watched the debate in HOC yesterday and each option was presented to MPs, with questions from the room to clarify certain points. Ken Clarke presented this one and he was pretty thorough. I think they know what they're voting for at this point, but a customs union does appear to have the potential to be politically worse than May's deal, even if aligning our standards to the EU would mean we can at least... avoid US chicken? Or am I wrong about that?

Hm. I could actually get behind Labour's plan, I just don't know if I trust them to stick to it.

Not exactly catchy is it? Also, will they even have enough people to put candidates in all constituencies? I can say now, unequivocally, that my final democratic vote will go to whoever intends to deliver the least hard Brexit, weighted against their strategic chance of success.

Some pundits saying that if May can't get her deal through, we're heading for a really long delay to Brexit. The alternative options won't be countenanced by May and we'll end up with a GE. That raises an interesting question. Who the fuck do we vote for?

The customs union is hardly better than May's deal though, is it not? Still huge loss of individual rights.

Yeah but the Party loyalists can't admit that yet. The non-rebel, non-ERG Tories don't get a free vote on this until May's deal is finished forever. What seems very apparent, is that PV2 is tantalisingly close. I notice 17 Labour MPs abstained on it, which means we need another 5 to swing. The customs union will get a majority post MV3 although as Renton says, it's not a good option. It's been tabled just to make sure that something gets through. Next best is Labour's deal, although I doubt many Tories will swing for that.

This has happened because of the Tories. May's deal needs to crash and burn a third time, THEN we can do this properly. Fucking morons.

So if her deal goes through, she resigns, Boris or something fuckhead takes over - we're basically in the next stage but more or less guaranteed no deal somehow - or something even more extreme than her arrangement. So we really are almost entirely at the mercy of the extremists unless Parliament manages to summon up the strength to deny her.

Ok no, 30 still opposed. She's still fucked for now.

I still don't see how she gets it through... have all of the ERG said they'll vote for it?

https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1110917516623257600

I mean, that's basically the current reality anyway.

Sure but the government swinging for it would allow Labour to fall in behind without electoral punishment. And no, I don't expect them to lie. I just don't expect them to state things that don't need to be stated since we're in a high stakes game of chicken.