Rayvin

Isn't about 12% of the country non-white? Maybe not London but this was a march by people from all over. If only about 10% were non-white, it sounds cross sectional to me.

Corbyn is in fucking Morecambe today doing fuck all Brexit related. I'm tempted to rejoin the party just so that I can leave in outrage for a second time. Utterly dismal.

Doesn't everyone do that?

Too much effort though Anyway, once this is all properly over we'll just be back to voting on different shades of central beige.

These people aren't as pathetic as we think though... Sargon makes £150k a year from donations. I mean he's a charlatan because he's peddling a story to people who want to believe him, but he's not some loser in a basement. He's plenty pathetic in other ways I guess.

Sargon of Akkad is going to run as an MEP for UKIP if we get to Euro Elections The culture war just keeps on infecting normal life. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/22/youtuber-carl-benjamin-accused-triggering-rape-threats-could-stand-for-ukip

https://twitter.com/KateHoeyMP/status/1108747870520381441

The Tories whipped against No Deal tbf. Free vote, it wins more heavily.

Wait what? I'm not saying MV3 will pass. It won't. I'm saying that when it fails, the primary reason it is going to fail isn't because of the ERG - it's because most MPs are remainers. So the majority is for a softer Brexit. So her deal fails, she resigns, and then parliament can actually discuss how to proceed - something they have been unable to do for 3 years. If they can't make anything work in the 3 weeks leading up to April 12th, then I think they will back May's deal because even for Labour, it's better than No Deal. It will remain an option until the last minute.

The way I see it, May loses MV3 and resigns - Parliament then gets to have its indicative votes exercise. If they still can't come to agreement by April 12th, then they can just go with May's deal - the only reason MV3 isn't going through is that there is a majority for a softer Brexit. If they get the chance to try for it, and it doesn't stick, those same MPs aren't going to just allow No Deal when May's option remains possible.

I'm taking all of this stuff way too personally at the moment, both here and elsewhere. I probably do, on a very real level, need to stop being so angry about all of it.

Aye but Preston thinks it's no deal because he doubts MPs will compromise. I still think they might. There is an overall commons majority for some manner of soft Brexit, it just needs someone somewhere to show a bit of leadership.

That isn't tears, it's my will to live

You get rises out of me all the time, I'm amazed you aren't bored of it yet.

Yeah you have no comprehension of my life situation so this isn't really landing with me.

Well, firstly I was assuming that it was usual prices (£120 return + hotel) but secondly, it's expensive in the sense that I'm mid project and need to work tomorrow, and that not doing so will be a significant blow to my ability to finish promptly and get paid fully. But thanks for the purity test

I think they will rip it up since it isn't getting through Parliament. I don't know what the point in them agreeing to an extension only to continue to insist on May's deal would be. Nothing will cure the underlying issues that our politics and democracy is broken - nothing until everyone loses interest and moves on to the next hysteria. Possibly Corbyn might be useful for this.

Good man. I'm not I'm afraid, it's just too expensive a proposition for me at the moment. And aye, just ignore the pro-activitists.

May is the only reason we've done this can kicking bullshit though. If she's gone, as she has made clear she will be in the event of a long extension, then Parliament will actually have to come together and work this out properly. They'll do indicative votes, settle on soft Brexit, and that'll be what goes through. I'm not even sure we'll get a second referendum - but honestly I don't care that much as long as FOM remains.

She fell out with her chief whip yesterday, she might find that difficult now too. Really, she's all over the place. I don't think for a second we'll revoke A50 unless Parliament actually does think No Deal will be apocalyptic. But campaigning for it on the strongest possible terms strengthens anyone calling for a softer Brexit.

I think if there wasn't a real appetite to avoid No Deal, we wouldn't have gotten an extension - the EU have provided a 10 day extension because they still hope that Parliament might be able to unfuck this. I actually think, based on how things have developed, that May might just give in and get the long extension if MV3 fails. She didn't rule it out yesterday. And really, she's the only barrier to getting it.

Ok sure but they've also given Parliament time to kill off May and take control of the process. Horrifyingly we now need Corbyn to step up.

The EU have done us a big favour there tbh. That's actually really mature and sensible of them.