Rayvin

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/03/brexit-labour-will-whip-mps-to-back-second-referendum-says-mcdonnell McDonnell confirmed it at least..?

Sigh. Yes, yes it is.

Labour will whip MPs for second referendum vote. How meaningful this is I don't know, but it's a statement of intent at least. We need to hope that there are at least a some balls amongst the Tories now and that they don't get sucked in by May's lunacy.

Sigh. I did think Stavely's bid was derisory and pointless, but i was more hopeful about Kenyon, possibly because i didn't have any sense of the numbers. Well, we will never be free then. We're too big a club to do a Sunderland even when Rafa does walk out the door.

But against a backdrop of incessant attacks, it becomes more understandable. The media are the figurative 'boy who cried wolf' here.

Well yeah, on that i fully agree. I just dont understand the moral outrage at what he has said in that clip. People are condemning him for not getting out ahead of the problem, they're going on as if he said something reprehensible. He didn't.

Yeah I read the Twitter thread under it and looked at the article. The article indeed isn't that bad, I've seen far worse from that journalist. But it was written in February 2016 when every fucking article anyone wrote was a hit piece on the guy, and Labour MPs were in open rebellion against him. This is the outcome of a fucking siege mentality. I mean i agree that it could have been dealt with years ago. That part is fucking true. But that video, for me, does not expose Corbyn as someone who doesn't care. It exposes him as someone who, to my surprise, actually was paying attention to a press who were trying to eviscerate him at every turn.

There what is? He's totally right about Freedman the guy has had it in for him since day one, I've mentioned it on here before. I honestly dont understand the world anymore, it's like everyone has totally embraced being super sensitive over fuck all. Why shouldn't Corbyn get to say that an article written about him is full of subliminal nastiness?

Aye but can you imagine actually being from Sunderland. Supporting that team. Living in that city. I mean hatred is quite possibly all some of them have.

I just don't care anymore Gloom. I could point out that the Jewish Chronicle isn't what most people would call MSM with some detail. I could point out that nothing you've said in the post is actually a valid contention against the actual point I've repeatedly made by reasserting it. But I don't care. You and CT win. This is super important and matters way more than everything other than Brexit itself, as indicated by the coverage it receives.

In one of the twitter threads someone in here posted recently I saw a really good suggestion for how we could (but won't) sort all of this out. The premise was that we leave in March under No Deal, but everyone has to apply for either a 'leave' card, or a 'remain' card depending on your confidence in Brexit. If you have a remain card, you get first and preferential access to all medicines, food and any other things that make up normal living, which is the Brexiteer's guarantee to you that things will be ok as we leave. The Leavers on the other hand already believe everything will be fine, so this is a no risk scenario for them. If it turns out that more than 50% of the population apply for a Remain card, we don't leave the EU.

Good grief. Fuck you, CT.

Sigh. I just don't understand why this shit has to happen.

I'm curious as to the constituencies they represent though. It feels like it would be a blend of the super rich untouchables and the super poor unmodernisables. The poor being weaponised by the rich.

That's a common misunderstanding apparently. We elect them but they don't do anything whatsoever. Unlike 95% of our MPs who are of course hugely influential in everything that happens in the country.

So we would need to pass this and then get the EU to give us an extended period to decide, which they've already signalled they would be happy to do. We would, however, have to engage in the EU elections. Which seems to be a problem for everyone although I'm not totally sure why. By far and away this is the sensible move. Literally the only thing really stopping this from happening, as far as I can tell, is Theresa May.

Never heard of it but googled it now. Seems to be a lot of noise without much substance though. The NSPCC stating that they had more calls from the media than from parents Would be an unusual thing to see the media making a giant fuss out of nothing. As far as i understand it, the creepy doll thing tells people to kill themselves, right? Except no one has as far as we can tell.

Why would anyone use Newcastle for that though No fucker is going to believe we could stump up £50m man, come on.

Wait what... I'm not a Muslim.. Damn fucking right it has.

Not denying the problem, just castigating the media. I think I've been pretty consistent on that. Also gonna stress that I don't give a single shit how my stance makes 'Labour supporters' look. My stance is just my stance.

It does. The guy clearly seems antisemitic, not that I understand all of it. Curious that he's been an MP since 2010 without anyone seems to cause a fuss about him though...

Has all that literally just happened

Not so much that I'm ignoring them, I'm just not remembering them at present and lack the motivation to go back through and look. Honestly man, my issue is really not with whether or not antisemitism exists in Labour. If you say it does I'm happy to believe you, and have done so. My issue is the disproportionate scale of the media response compared to the very little actual tangible problems this antisemitism -appears- to be causing. As I've said before, where is the outrage about people actually out on the streets doubling in number since May took office? Save for the Guardian, rarely, it's nowhere to be seen. Why does some name calling on Twitter (which is all I have personally seen of it so far) deserve more outrage and condemnation than people living in cardboard next to Tesco because the government has cut their legs out from under them?

...no? I was referring to non-MPs who have experienced it. And yeah the MPs sure as shit do have agendas. I mean there's an anti-Zionist Jewish wing inside the Labour Party is there not. Have they reported extensively on anti-semitism? His views on nuclear weapons didn't seem to stick at all, that's why that story isn't still running. Same with the IRA. In fact those weapons were put to bed when Labour didn't collapse at the last GE. Clearly the public didn't give a fuck so the media dropped them. And the city? Yes, historically, the public have really had a lot of respect for the city and their views, and don't at all think they're a pack of monumental cunts broadly responsible for plunging us into a decade of austerity.

Javid? I must be living in the past, I thought he was business secretary. He did that once, right? Now that you mention it I remember seeing his name all over various news reports that seem on the face of them to be dog whistle racism so I can see May's logic in who she chose. Actually that's probably one. I get the feeling he has stuck to her side on this shambles. May and Javid. And that little runt Williamson in defense I guess. People who should never have been promoted to the positions of power they hold, all united by incompetence.