Rayvin

There is plenty of debate on here CT, but you never actually properly address any of the points people make. I suppose your debate style is a akin to PMQs though. Shouting past your opponents and refusing to tackle anything awkward. The middle class right wingers are primarily responsible for Brexit. So if we call them racist, we're right - because they aren't voting out of concerns about their jobs. The working class I have some sympathy with. Also, who said the Tories would bring about widespread unemployment? I remember saying that they were going to cripple the country with austerity, which they did. And I remember saying that they are the party of increasing poverty, which they are. Don't remember really have a strong feeling about unemployment one way or the other because it's nigh on impossible to actually tell nowadays thanks to zero hours. Which is why, incidentally, poverty is a better marker.

https://twitter.com/robertshrimsley/status/1108740579771539456 This thread sums it all up pretty well.

I think there is some of this going on in truth - she's got the EU to come forward and start saying it's her deal or No Deal now as well. This really is now Project Fear.

Looks like Renton increasingly has the right of it... She's actually going to plunge us into No Deal.

Why couldn't Parliament bypass the executive and vote for an long extension subject to a full review of Brexit options or potentially a second referendum?

2/3 of the cabinet + the ERG, is not going to carry No Deal through Parliament.

Ok so Merkel says that we get an extension if May's deal goes through. I'd say it's almost impossible that it will unless she has some real magic up her sleeve. That means we're really and seriously looking at No Deal. Surely May has to resign at that point because she's been nothing but a total obstruction - if she doesn't, she should be no confidence'd out of the building as quickly as possible - I'm fairly sure that would pass. After that, Parliament will surely vote for a long A50 extension on the premise of needing time to have an actual fucking debate about what we want to do, rather than just blindly following the direction of travel set out by the weakest political leader the world has ever seen. Backlash, sure, but the gammons already think they're being stitched up and they've managed what, 60 people for their march? What does anyone seriously think they are going to do? They could all vote UKIP en masse next time out but honestly it'd just kill off the Tories for the most part so I'm having a hard time worrying about it.

Sure but the most influence it's going to wield is to be picked up by Remainer MPs in parliament and used as a 'clearly not all the people want a hard Brexit'. I feel like they could now strengthen that argument by also stating that the site was crashing under the sheer weight of people trying to sign it.

It's a traffic issue. I got through just before. Good sign in a way.

because of course.

It's over half a million now I should turn my guns on climate change next

Good man

It's partially my fault in the first place for backing Corbyn.

Just sign it ffs.

Bet you signed it anyway ewerk.

I mean it's flying now - had 20k since I posted it.

Almost certainly meaningless, but petition to revoke A50 - hit 160,000 in 24 hours: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

Sounds like May's speech has made it impossible for MV3 to go through - Tories abandoning her in droves.

60% of the Leave vote came from the Tory middle classes, but ok.

Good assessment - would argue potentially that she fears soft Brexit more than No Deal. So, not necessarily that she wants no deal, but that she'll take it over anything vaguely resembling remain.

Meh, he's representative of Leave voters on here. Also he's never acknowledged how fucking stupid he was. I know Leave voters who have - happy to respect them on that.

Anyway, seems we're still fucked.

The country needs to come back together for the good of the Tory Party lads. Come on, who cares about your rights and freedoms that were just taken away by a pack of cunts with no concern beyond their own political legacies. Let's all just fucking join hands again. CT, seriously. You need to apologise for this man. It's just... what have you done, seriously. What have you done.

God I hate her so much.

No general election says May.