Rayvin

I mean it's absurd but it makes me smile that some people are satisfied with answers like this.

Also, this "thoughts and prayers" shit in general. I'm sure that 99% of the people who write that have 1) never said an earnest prayer in their lives, and 2) immediately dismiss all thoughts about the issue once they've sent the tweet.

People are broadly helpless in this situation, and if saying prayers makes them feel better then that's what it achieves. Maybe they can even point to the fact that the whole building isn't a write off as some kind of indication that their prayers were answered, and use that to find some meaning in life for a period of time. But I do see your point - if people do believe there is a god, then why would they be so arrogant as to think that he's just sitting up there waiting for Sarah from Manchester to make a specific plea in order to jump in and save the day? In the end, the Cathedral burned down because it is a man made building for a man made religious organisation, that was set on fire through man made incompetence. God actually preventing this would have taken a Biblical level of divine intervention that would rather defeat the notion of our existence on earth being a test of faith (which is what I understand it to be, religiously speaking..).

I'm starting to feel like Wykiki hates almost everyone who is some manner of superstar...

I was devastated by this and not because it's a religious building per se. It's a monument to Western civilisation that has stood for 800 years. It's also a monument for France's identity. If it had been Buckingham Palace or something i don't think i would have cared overly. Or even a normal cathedral. But Notre Dame is just hugely culturally significant.

Tbh mate, I wasn't looking to get into this again I haven't read the story. Let's just agree that you're right.

We knew it was Labour MPs anyway didn't we? I don't think you follow the thrust of my argument on this Still though, I guess that's another front page for Gloom.

"You know what, let’s just fuck it off. Close down the club and go shopping on Saturday afternoon It’s fucking pointless" RTG is amazing at times.

I can almost imagine reading the "didn't want promotion this season anyway, too soon - it's a project marra, needs time. The mags would fucking love to be in our position man, only way is up" now

They look a lot less certain now... appreciate they have that game in hand but so do Portsmouth, and the latter seem to be on some kind of run.

Ok. Redeeming themselves in my opinion. Tbh I felt that was implied

Obviously not watched this yet but Disney's final shot at redeeming itself over starwars is imminent:

I'll vote whichever Remain candidate looks most credible in my area. Literally do not give a shit about anything else.

Should we be pleased about the Brexit Party getting going? It'll presumably divide the Brexiters in the local elections. Also, dare I say it, less extreme now than UKIP?

I stand by that vote actually, because it was clear as day that many Remain voters backed Labour because their position was actually pretty nebulous, and that suppressing a Tory majority was the only chance we stood of achieving anything. It's by virtue of the remainer rally to Labour that we're still in the game at all. But what it wasn't, was an indication that 80% of people wanted Brexit.

It does need co-ordination, but the best vehicle to mobilise behind in theory is Labour and they remain totally clouded on their actual preference. I'm not voting for them again only to see a renewed narrative for "80% of people voting for Brexit backing parties". If Labour come out unequivocally for PV2, then they're the best bet for making the point. If they don't then Remainers need to abandon them entirely - the problem is rallying people around something else, and getting the message out widely enough.

This is the thing that really is fucking nuts about this. This uncertainty is actually affecting my personal life to some degree, and I really don't have much call for it to do so. If it's affecting individual lives, it must be wreaking absolute havoc with business. How on earth are we supposed to prepare for anything? It's not even as if we can say that it will definitely be October since May might get the WA through at any given moment in time and at best we'll get a few days notice (while I do appreciate that there is a transition period attached, there will be some industries that immediately change based on just the outcome becoming clear). This really isn't about the political parties anymore, it's way fucking bigger than them. If they can't sort this out, fine, but give it back to the people. Fuck off trying to hold the country to ransom just to get the perfect deal through for their parties.

Fascinating times.

When you consider what that money could have been used for...

It does? they all spend a lot of time in the Ecuadorian embassy?

It's a fascinating waste of his life mind. 12 months in a UK jail, 5 years in the US... added to the 7 in that embassy.. idk man, that's some resolve. Must have been tempted to end it a few times.

Have to say mind, it's starting to cross into the realm of comedy for me

The man certainly seemed plenty stuck to.

Good luck to him then. Can't find it in myself to condemn a man who embarrassed the political class beyond any crimes against actual people that he has committed.