Rayvin

I don't know about this - there's a larger number of diehard remainers than diehard leavers, it would seem. Just compare the petitions.

JRM is now proposing that if we're staying for a year, we be total dickheads to the EU.

The Guardian seems to think that she has privately accepted a year long extension, but can't be seen to go willingly. They feel the expectation is the EU will refuse (almost certain IMO since it's too close to the EU elections).

So we're getting up to one year extension that can be terminated at any time if we pass the WA. I get that the EU is trying to remain flexible but its certainty that we need. I feel that they should have insisted on just a solid year come what may. Anyway that's no deal off the table assuming Tusk can get it through the EU. Now we will see what the plan is at May's side.

I figured it would be attached to her vote since neither is getting through on their own.

The only thing that concerns me about that election is that Sargon of Akkad will be running for them... This is not something I want to see. Mainstreaming of the stupid internet culture war.

Feels like we might be at a turning point here but let's make sure it isn't a false dawn before celebrating I guess. So currently we're hopefully maybe looking at Chequers going through with a referendum nailed onto it - presumably Remain vs May although I fucking hope Corbyn gets that in writing - and a request to the EU for an extension of up to 1 year. We'll run the Euro elections - all of us should get the fuck out to vote for that to make sure we're delivering competent MEPs - and then we can hopefully consign Brexit to history. UKIP will get a surge in support but not enough to actually make a difference. Should mostly come from the Tories who might actually fracture over this... possibly anyway. Hard to imagine the arch Brexiters will think they'll get another crack at this within the Tory party.

Sounds like it might be put to a vote though... although I guess if that was attached to TM's deal that might be enough.

Downing Street ready to countenance PV2 according to the Guardian...

Indeed but why then are the Tories trying to stop it. Do they really think they can just be awkward over and over again until eventually the Remain side gives up?

Works for me

It is apparently 'tyranny' for the Lords to fast track Cooper.

Ok, so how do we handle the Brexiteers on this issue?

That's good news but surely there'd be hell on?

I think it's completely fair to assume Russia is behind this in some form, and quite possibly even the US since they've never been keen on a strong Europe. But it's also a good number of fuckheads in our own country. Maybe we should make it treasonous to disseminate fake news, punishable by actual jail time (if you're the source at least) irrespective of who the fuck you are in the country.

Yeah I'm really not sure how we deal with this now. Clearly some people in society are capable of existing responsibly in the age of bullshit, but many are not. One of my friends is an Indian lad who frequently talks about this phenomenon in India. Apparently they're very concerned about the use of things like Whatsapp since it has been leading to mob killings in rural areas by people being whipped up into a frenzy in community groups (which basically become echo chambers). They've banned it in certain areas I believe. It's similar here clearly - some people just can't be trusted in the age we live in.

Have to say, supporting the point about No Deal propaganda on social media - I've seen an awful lot of (new) absolute bollocks coming out of Brexiters recently. I don't know how we fight this anymore, short of actually allowing the government to properly crack down on the internet.

Fair point actually. I can't see anything about it except the Metro. I wouldn't have imagined they would just make something up but there really is nothing about it anywhere else. Maybe the elites are suppressing it /Parky.

Then again, if we can have PV2 without No Deal as an option, maybe its back on. Takes some serious balls though, from the political class.

Worth noting that Scotland wasn't included in that and London has a heavy population advantage, but even so. Depends on the campaign somewhat but people will be entrenched by now.

There was a yougov poll doing the rounds yesterday that said every constituency in England bar the London ones wanted No Deal over Remain. I'm less and less sure about this referendum.

Vote Leave encouraging de-selection of Remain Tories. Speaking of, we should probably get on that for Pro-Brexit Labour MPs.

I just want to say that the Daily Mail comment section makes for glorious reading on this. Full of the usual "traitors", "will of the people", blah blah but also those certain individuals who believe that within a few years, the EU will send troops into the UK to kill them. Some who think that we will have a second referendum and that if remain wins it will have been rigged. "The people will erupt if this goes through". "We're now worse than Iran, Russia and North Korea(!)" I don't know if we'll get any kind of Brexit that will satisfy me - probably we won't. But I'm going to enjoy the apoplexy over this for all the schadenfraude I can get from it.

Then the queen I think I read My thinking is that this would mean the Tories, if faced with Revoke or No Deal, have to revoke...?

Holy fuck. Majority of 1. Die, No Deal, Die.