Rayvin

It doesnt make any difference. If Corbyn goes and McDonnell takes over they'll just find something to tear him apart over as well.

And? What do you want me to acknowledge that you feel I haven't acknowledged?

What the fuck is going on in this game...

I blame a lack of impartiality and corporate influences but whatever floats your boat I guess

The reason it's more shocking when it happens to Labour is that the media actively despise Corbyn, whereas at least some of the media really do quite love the Tories.

I remember a few weeks ago, a (probably drunk) Man City fan went on there to blow smoke up their collective arses about how awesome Sunderland was (massive club, genuine fans, lovely people, blah blah), having watched that documentary on Netflix. They were of course receptive, but then I noticed over the next few days, several threads along the lines of "What makes Sunderland such a special and unique club" with opening posts like "We all know it, people from all over talk about Sunderland fondly with many positive things to say about the long suffering fans, we're well loved marras - but what is it that makes us such a fucking special club?". It seems like the slightest bit of praise they receive from anyone has to be magnified and blown up out of all proportion. That Man City fan probably left thinking he was their new fucking hero. He's probably got a key to the fucking city by now. It's a desperation to be liked. And honestly, I'm not sure this exists for other clubs. I swear it's just them. Can anyone think of any other club this desperate to be loved by someone, anyone? Even North fucking Korea will do.

Sunderland can still get to fuck though. And Stoke for that matter. Turkeys voting for Christmas.

It's all social media's fault iirc. Nothing to do with police and youth services cuts.

So what if there is an EU army? I never understood this. Why is everyone so afraid of one? Greater security, shared common goal, and very likely fewer stupid wars for the UK.

I'd take Blair back at this point. If he delivered Remain, I'd literally back Satan.

Yes on a re-read, I agree. Still though, it's better than a free vote. And honestly, those Labour MPs have a responsibility to the country at the end of the day. While precisely none of them will actually see it that way, it doesn't stop it being true.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/03/brexit-labour-will-whip-mps-to-back-second-referendum-says-mcdonnell McDonnell confirmed it at least..?

Sigh. Yes, yes it is.

Labour will whip MPs for second referendum vote. How meaningful this is I don't know, but it's a statement of intent at least. We need to hope that there are at least a some balls amongst the Tories now and that they don't get sucked in by May's lunacy.

Sigh. I did think Stavely's bid was derisory and pointless, but i was more hopeful about Kenyon, possibly because i didn't have any sense of the numbers. Well, we will never be free then. We're too big a club to do a Sunderland even when Rafa does walk out the door.

But against a backdrop of incessant attacks, it becomes more understandable. The media are the figurative 'boy who cried wolf' here.

Well yeah, on that i fully agree. I just dont understand the moral outrage at what he has said in that clip. People are condemning him for not getting out ahead of the problem, they're going on as if he said something reprehensible. He didn't.

Yeah I read the Twitter thread under it and looked at the article. The article indeed isn't that bad, I've seen far worse from that journalist. But it was written in February 2016 when every fucking article anyone wrote was a hit piece on the guy, and Labour MPs were in open rebellion against him. This is the outcome of a fucking siege mentality. I mean i agree that it could have been dealt with years ago. That part is fucking true. But that video, for me, does not expose Corbyn as someone who doesn't care. It exposes him as someone who, to my surprise, actually was paying attention to a press who were trying to eviscerate him at every turn.

There what is? He's totally right about Freedman the guy has had it in for him since day one, I've mentioned it on here before. I honestly dont understand the world anymore, it's like everyone has totally embraced being super sensitive over fuck all. Why shouldn't Corbyn get to say that an article written about him is full of subliminal nastiness?

Aye but can you imagine actually being from Sunderland. Supporting that team. Living in that city. I mean hatred is quite possibly all some of them have.

I just don't care anymore Gloom. I could point out that the Jewish Chronicle isn't what most people would call MSM with some detail. I could point out that nothing you've said in the post is actually a valid contention against the actual point I've repeatedly made by reasserting it. But I don't care. You and CT win. This is super important and matters way more than everything other than Brexit itself, as indicated by the coverage it receives.

In one of the twitter threads someone in here posted recently I saw a really good suggestion for how we could (but won't) sort all of this out. The premise was that we leave in March under No Deal, but everyone has to apply for either a 'leave' card, or a 'remain' card depending on your confidence in Brexit. If you have a remain card, you get first and preferential access to all medicines, food and any other things that make up normal living, which is the Brexiteer's guarantee to you that things will be ok as we leave. The Leavers on the other hand already believe everything will be fine, so this is a no risk scenario for them. If it turns out that more than 50% of the population apply for a Remain card, we don't leave the EU.

Good grief. Fuck you, CT.

Sigh. I just don't understand why this shit has to happen.

I'm curious as to the constituencies they represent though. It feels like it would be a blend of the super rich untouchables and the super poor unmodernisables. The poor being weaponised by the rich.