Rayvin

Might use that as an excuse to re-watch Rush. RIP.

Greyworm had become annoying as fuck but i agree, I don't understand why he just accepted that. I also don't understand why, immediately after Greyworm left forever, they didnt just bring Snow back. Dany died satisfyingly. I think in the end that Tyrion effectively "won" the game.

Yeah except my reply, the one immediately beneath that one you replied to, covered that point You guys are fucking hopeless.

The thing with Farage - was he not going around Europe to try to persuade other EU countries to veto an extension? Against the intended wishes of the British government? Is that not something approximating treason? Does that not still carry the death penalty or does it have to be an actual act against the queen? You can see where I'm going with this. For the sake of snowflakery, I'm not advocating that anyone kill Farage. I'm suggesting that he's hardly a patriot.

In fact, if you look at the diehard Labour voters (35%) and Remain (43%) together, that comes to 78% of Labour's 2017 voters. In numbers, that's about 10 million. (Before we get to any Lib Dem, Green and Tory voters who might take one for the team to secure Remain). I know constituencies are what matter, but still. The Tories got 13.6 million last time out and have lost 62% of their voters in these elections, to Farage. That wouldn't hold to a GE, despite 24% of the electorate, incredibly, backing the BP for a GE as well - but they will take damage from this. And anyway, the Tories will eventually become a No Deal party because they have nowhere else to go, which means Labour MUST become a Remain Party. And if we just vote for them blindly, they won't do it. They've proven it already.

I have. I'm banking on the fact that they're losing more to Remain parties though. https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/05/17/labour-and-tories-lose-majority-support-brexit-pro This polling seems to suggest that 16% of Labour voters from the 2017 election are backing Brexit Party or UKIP. 43% are backing Remain parties.

We don't get to set that narrative. As shown in the 2017 GE, a vote for Labour means "80% of the country wants to get on with Brexit". So against that backdrop, even if the Brexit Party, Labour and the Tories are all pulled together to be more than 50%, it's an improvement on 80%. Also, it's not quite about the same issue anymore. No one can claim that Labour are backing No Deal. That's all the Brexit Party are backing, as I understand it. So yes, more than 50% of the country could be argued to want Brexit, but not all of those agree on how to do it. Labour are unequivocably opposed to No Deal, so I'm not sure how that alliance gets traction even amongst the narrative setters. There is no middle ground option available once May's deal crashes and burns a fourth time. At that point, Labour will -have- to choose a fucking side. And this strong showing for Remain with Labour voters deserting them should be the convincing kick in the backside they need to just fucking give up on trying to enable this shitshow. Also, seems fairly clear that the people voting Labour in actual fact have no strong opinion on Brexit full stop and would probably accept staying - so those people combined with the Remainers could deliver power to Corbyn. How he hasn't seen this is incredible, but maybe this will demonstrate it. He's ultimately relied on the middle class wringing their hands about the 'fascists' and just getting on with 'doing the right thing'. Fuck him. He has to do the right thing first, and it requires some political bravery.

Pragmatism wins out in the end I think. I won't forgive the Lib Dems more generally, but Labour are the ones who need to choke down a message this time while there's still a small chance this can be averted. The rest of this can be sorted through once the issue is resolved.

I have managed to win 4 friends, and 6 family members over to the Lib Dem cause Anything to shut me up, apparently.

Lib Dem it is.

City not getting a lot of love for this victory it seems. Honestly, they could win everything going for the next 10 years and they still wouldn't be hailed as a legendary team in the way Liverpool and Man Utd seem to be. Skill wise they're the best team ever to grace English football. But it's all manufactured from a position of total financial superiority, so it's really hard to care about them. I can't even really hate them, they're just club football's clearest manifestation of money.

Depressing indicator of the futility of even trying in the cups. Who even cares anymore.

Then he's the man who delivered Brexit and beat down the populists. The Tories will win the next GE as people will punish Labour.

I don't think we have time for this. Nick boles said yesterday that he now thought no deal was basically inevitable. All Johnson has to do is let us crash out.

Truthfully I'm not 100% sure I even credit Ashley with enough intelligence to do it. Maybe he's made it Charnley in order to avoid personally implicating himself in the failure, who knows.

My old boss used to believe the best way to conduct a negotiation was to send someone like Charnley in first with a set of parameters. If he can come to terms, great. If not, a further meeting can be organised with Ashley, who essentially becomes an escalation point. It basically gives two chances to come to a deal. Not saying that's what is happening, but its the kind of game playing I've seen before if it is. If Ashley goes into the first one, there can be no escalation.

Nice to see an underdog team triumph occasionally.

God, not Charnley. He'll sit down with Rafa and will somehow come out of the meeting having hired Tony Pulis.

Well fucking said.

I suppose that's true.

That actually is a silver lining to a degree. The people will have no one else to blame.

At least it's a clear mandate if it does. I mean it would be unarguable from our point of view. Part of what is so frustrating about this chaos is that there is no mandate for anything.

Wouldn't it just split the leave vote?

I can't quite believe it but ITV did the right thing and canned Jeremy Kyle. Permanently, with all previous episodes removed. Absolutely the right decision, was a dismal show at the best of times.

They should go full DnD with it now and change her middle name to 'The Uncorrupted' or 'The Breaker of Chains'. Then those kids with a bit of darkness in them can be 'The Fallen' I mean, if they're going to be stupid enough to name their children after someone who starts the series off with murderous violence and has ambitions of dominion over all men, and then be surprised when those ambitions are manifest.