Rayvin

It's partially my fault in the first place for backing Corbyn.

Just sign it ffs.

Bet you signed it anyway ewerk.

I mean it's flying now - had 20k since I posted it.

Almost certainly meaningless, but petition to revoke A50 - hit 160,000 in 24 hours: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

Sounds like May's speech has made it impossible for MV3 to go through - Tories abandoning her in droves.

60% of the Leave vote came from the Tory middle classes, but ok.

Good assessment - would argue potentially that she fears soft Brexit more than No Deal. So, not necessarily that she wants no deal, but that she'll take it over anything vaguely resembling remain.

Meh, he's representative of Leave voters on here. Also he's never acknowledged how fucking stupid he was. I know Leave voters who have - happy to respect them on that.

Anyway, seems we're still fucked.

The country needs to come back together for the good of the Tory Party lads. Come on, who cares about your rights and freedoms that were just taken away by a pack of cunts with no concern beyond their own political legacies. Let's all just fucking join hands again. CT, seriously. You need to apologise for this man. It's just... what have you done, seriously. What have you done.

God I hate her so much.

No general election says May.

Apparently it's going to be a short and sweet 'appeal' to the nation. Some more vintage leadership imminent, I feel.

So you think either the Tories or Labour are going to take responsibility for "cancelling" Brexit. Backbenchers maybe, but the two main parties, I don't think so. Not anymore.

I was taking a break from being antisemitic. But now I'm back, so we can once again resume conflation of criticism of the media with antisemitism.

Sounds like the meeting was a waste of time anyway. He should have stayed. The big problem now for Labour (or anyone) is that everyone knows this needs to be stopped, but everyone also knows that whoever does stop it will be punished by the electorate. That's why Labour won't shoot, it's why May won't just blow her brains out. The voters are the problem, because the narrative has never been developed to pull us back from this. It's going to be no deal unless there is some kind of cross party backbench revolt.

I would take Starmer, not that I will ever vote again.

This is literally unbelievable. If anyone I know ever votes Tory again, I'm immediately cutting them out of my life.

I brought this up first and have spent about 3 pages trying to outline the same point over and over until someone would actually grasp it, amidst constant sniping. Par for the course but I just can't be fucked anymore. What you've proposed does sound sensible. Good luck with it.

Yeah ok, you win. I mean I could point out that starting from today proves nothing about what has brought us to this point in the argument but honestly, you may well be right about the whole thing. I need to stay out of this thread.

Every now and then, talking on here reminds me why the centre got such a massive arse kicking across the world in the past 5 years I see the Guardian released a report stating that populist rhetoric is on the rise in political speeches around the world. Great news, that. We're doing so well at combating these issues by just running around calling everyone racists. https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2019/mar/06/revealed-the-rise-and-rise-of-populist-rhetoric

Well you're wrong in your characterization of my priorities I'm afraid. I'm not dismissing that there's a problem with antisemitism - if there is, there is. My issue, and this may be worse from your point of view, is that it isn't as big a deal as a series of other issues that are being sidelined as a result of the attention it's getting. Coupled with the fact that the reason this is such a big issue, is because it has useful side effects. I don't not want to see it, it's just that until someone dies as a result of an antisemitic attack by a member of the Labour party, for me, it's not as big a deal as the 10 kids who have been knifed to death this year so far - I feel that this is an acceptable moral position, and so have to then look at why the media does not appear to share it. That's the full extent of my issue. That's it. I'm sorry if that isn't an acceptable view, but honestly, I'm amazed anyone could disagree.

I nearly caveated this in but I'm sick of having to put up defences for every bad faith counter that gets thrown at me. Yes ewerk, clearly in the case of a genocide and the resultant demographic shift that happens, the situation is different. Theoretically at least. Taken looking only at the past 100 years (say) it becomes irrelevant again apart from a semantic issue.

Can you just answer my question? Given how I perceive it, can you understand my position, as much as you may dismiss away the basis for it. I also think you've taken a lot of what I've said about this as a direct challenge to things you've posted. It's not really. I'm also going to stress that I'm not a member of the Labour party and this isn't some tribal thing for me. Labour are going to crash and burn under Corbyn anyway, as they will under McDonnell. The establishment isn't going to let this happen and that's just how it is. I also think you're being ridiculous in your comparison with knife crime. There must have been about 20 or 30 different headlines in the guardian alone about antisemitism in the past week, and I think I've seen a single one about knife crime. Maybe it's a guardian issue more than anything else truthfully, it would explain why we're so at odds on this.