Rayvin

I still don't see how she gets it through... have all of the ERG said they'll vote for it?

https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1110917516623257600

I mean, that's basically the current reality anyway.

Sure but the government swinging for it would allow Labour to fall in behind without electoral punishment. And no, I don't expect them to lie. I just don't expect them to state things that don't need to be stated since we're in a high stakes game of chicken.

Apart from just trying to wind me up, those are two different issues. The government has a responsibility to do the best for the nation - that was my point. Revoking A50 clearly is that and the government can choose to carry it out. The opposition also have this responsibility, but lack the power to make it a reality. Therefore, the most responsible course of action for them is to position themselves as best they can to exert maximum influence on the process to the end of not destroying the country. Which I would argue, given the strategically null value of making the claim you want him to at this point, is exactly what they're doing. -drops mic-

You're just too reactionary ewerk. Honestly, say he makes that statement - "We will revoke A50 in that scenario". What useful strategic purpose does that statement serve? It boxes them in and grants the initiative to the Tories. It may well be true that they will revoke A50 in that situation (I'm actually kind of encouraged by the statement truthfully) but telling us now gives them no political advantage whatsoever.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/27/donald-tusk-majority-uk-stay-eu-article-50-brexit Donald Tusk fighting the corner of Remainers.

I don't see the harm in that statement tbh. It is actually probably quite important to Labour that they don't blink first. Someone is going to have to eliminate No Deal, and I can see why they want it to be May. I mean why would Labour want to broadcast either extreme option at this point when they're trying to go for a middle ground. I don't even think it's cowardly, I just think that if this all falls apart into a GE, statements like "we will revoke A50" would come back to bite them.

May considering purging Tories who vote against her. Sounds like the far left entryists have taken hold of the Tories too...

They can't revoke A50 because they will be "betraying" people like you.

Finally, someone understands my opposition to leaving the EU.

Fair point I guess. Still put FOM at the top though.

I think we decided that he wasn't a mackem because he was good humoured about the accusations instead of wildly defensive. Also, as far as I can tell, he isn't supportive of Mike Ashley (the usual giveaway).

Ah I see. I mean sure, but who cares? I don't care. I just want FOM. If the Brexiteers can climb down with their pride intact with this arrangement and I get FOM, I'm prepared to look the other way and pretend it's meaningful.

Why is it pointless? I'm too tired to make sense of it. And yeah I like black themed internet shit

Huh? It's white on black for me. EDIT - Better?

Labour tables plan for close economic relationship with EU This is the alternative Brexit plan tabled by the Labour party for tomorrow’s indicative votes in Parliament. The plan includes: · a comprehensive customs union with the EU, with a U.K. say on future trade deals; · close alignment with the Single Market underpinned by shared institutions and obligations; · dynamic alignment on rights and protections; · commitments on participation in EU agencies and funding programmes, including in areas such as the environment, education, and industrial regulation; and · clear agreements on the detail of future security arrangements, including access to the European Arrest Warrant and vital shared databases. Here Jeremy Corbyn’s statement: The full text of Labour’s motion reads: leave out from “House” to end and add: “requires ministers to: (a) negotiate changes to the draft Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration so as to secure: (i) a permanent customs union with the EU; (ii) close alignment with the single market underpinned by shared institutions and obligations; (iii) dynamic alignment on rights and protections; (iv) commitments on participation in EU agencies and funding programmes, including in areas such as the environment, education, and industrial regulation; (v) agreement on the detail of future security arrangements, including access to the European Arrest Warrant and vital shared databases; and (b) introduce primary legislation to give statutory status to the objectives set out in subsection (a).”

Labour backing Norway and 2nd ref..?

Is... is the latter a common occurrence?

He also said it wasn't his final say on the matter though, and if she doesn't she might prorogue parliament and just waste more of everyone's time.

I don't actually think he will stand in the way - mostly because he doesn't need to if ewerk is right.

Which means we're going to get a long extension and soft Brexit. I actually don't think we ever will get that 2nd referendum, not when soft Brexit could reveal itself to be a feasible option. Is there any softer form of Brexit that doesn't include FOM?

So the ERG will capitulate. As will the DUP I'm sure, following another monumental bribe. Is it still enough though? Not all of the ERG will vote for it, many Tory Remainers will vote against, and only a handful of Labour rebels appear to be holding their nerve and voting pro-Brexit.

Could the government not effectively invalidate Letwin by insisting that all 300 who voted against simply don't engage in it?

New contract desire maybe? He's not going to go to a top 6 club and realistically if Rafa stays, we're in no worse position to challenge for 7th as the other 13 teams.