Rayvin

Are we really going to settle on a customs union...

Does Perez want to leave? For where?

Yeah they either didn't exist in Labour pre-Corbyn, or they were being fervently cracked down on by Ed Miliband.

I agree it's been quiet on this for a while but it was never solely about the front pages. There were just a plethora of articles across many papers. Anyway, I'm not the only one who thought it so I'm satisfied that I'm not just paranoid. I suppose with a GE around the corner we'll see more about it again. EDIT - incidentally, I think that when Corbyn leaves and we go back to a more centrist candidate, all the antisemites will go with him, especially since they all joined when he became leader.

Holy shit. That is cringeworthy.

To the surprise of no one, talks between Labour and the Tories have failed. Now we move on to government backed indicative votes which will, also, fail. PV2 miles away again, IMO. Only real chance of it was if Labour stitched it onto the WA.

The thing for me is that nothing that has happened since the 2016 referendum should have swung any remainers over to leave, with the possible of exception of those who feel the government should honour the original vote. I can't really believe there are too many of those. There -should- be plenty of leavers who, even if they don't want to stay in the EU, won't want TM's deal. Plus we have the extra 2 million young people + however many old people have died since. You're right, we need to mobilise them, but surely, surely we can manage that. Surely.

I don't know about this - there's a larger number of diehard remainers than diehard leavers, it would seem. Just compare the petitions.

JRM is now proposing that if we're staying for a year, we be total dickheads to the EU.

The Guardian seems to think that she has privately accepted a year long extension, but can't be seen to go willingly. They feel the expectation is the EU will refuse (almost certain IMO since it's too close to the EU elections).

So we're getting up to one year extension that can be terminated at any time if we pass the WA. I get that the EU is trying to remain flexible but its certainty that we need. I feel that they should have insisted on just a solid year come what may. Anyway that's no deal off the table assuming Tusk can get it through the EU. Now we will see what the plan is at May's side.

I figured it would be attached to her vote since neither is getting through on their own.

The only thing that concerns me about that election is that Sargon of Akkad will be running for them... This is not something I want to see. Mainstreaming of the stupid internet culture war.

Feels like we might be at a turning point here but let's make sure it isn't a false dawn before celebrating I guess. So currently we're hopefully maybe looking at Chequers going through with a referendum nailed onto it - presumably Remain vs May although I fucking hope Corbyn gets that in writing - and a request to the EU for an extension of up to 1 year. We'll run the Euro elections - all of us should get the fuck out to vote for that to make sure we're delivering competent MEPs - and then we can hopefully consign Brexit to history. UKIP will get a surge in support but not enough to actually make a difference. Should mostly come from the Tories who might actually fracture over this... possibly anyway. Hard to imagine the arch Brexiters will think they'll get another crack at this within the Tory party.

Sounds like it might be put to a vote though... although I guess if that was attached to TM's deal that might be enough.

Downing Street ready to countenance PV2 according to the Guardian...

Indeed but why then are the Tories trying to stop it. Do they really think they can just be awkward over and over again until eventually the Remain side gives up?

Works for me

It is apparently 'tyranny' for the Lords to fast track Cooper.

Ok, so how do we handle the Brexiteers on this issue?

That's good news but surely there'd be hell on?

I think it's completely fair to assume Russia is behind this in some form, and quite possibly even the US since they've never been keen on a strong Europe. But it's also a good number of fuckheads in our own country. Maybe we should make it treasonous to disseminate fake news, punishable by actual jail time (if you're the source at least) irrespective of who the fuck you are in the country.

Yeah I'm really not sure how we deal with this now. Clearly some people in society are capable of existing responsibly in the age of bullshit, but many are not. One of my friends is an Indian lad who frequently talks about this phenomenon in India. Apparently they're very concerned about the use of things like Whatsapp since it has been leading to mob killings in rural areas by people being whipped up into a frenzy in community groups (which basically become echo chambers). They've banned it in certain areas I believe. It's similar here clearly - some people just can't be trusted in the age we live in.

Have to say, supporting the point about No Deal propaganda on social media - I've seen an awful lot of (new) absolute bollocks coming out of Brexiters recently. I don't know how we fight this anymore, short of actually allowing the government to properly crack down on the internet.

Fair point actually. I can't see anything about it except the Metro. I wouldn't have imagined they would just make something up but there really is nothing about it anywhere else. Maybe the elites are suppressing it /Parky.