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I mean, the only silver lining here is that eventually, they are going to be punished. Labour will be crushed at the next GE and Corbyn will have to admit that it's because he was fucking stupid about Brexit.

Agree. Unbelievable that anyone can look at these results and choose to ignore the reality. Admittedly it's a tough position because the fuckheads would have to admit the country is now fully split on this and there isn't any coming back together. But you'd still expect the bravery to at least call it what it is. I guess onto the Euro Elections now where we will see a similar result for the main parties with a perhaps more obvious split, and watch as they continue to do fuck all in responding to it.

I mean I'm assuming it must be a considerable number of independents tbh. I think this is looking like a good result for Remain.

Who are the other beneficiaries that are hidden under 'Other'

The fuck are you still up for? I've no idea why i am, before you ask.

I mean yeah, that seems pretty damning. Doesn't necessarily make it true though.. has the reporter advised it was Williamson? Presumably he will have to testify in a criminal case, so we would know in the end.

Has he been stitched up, as he claims? I wonder. Not sure about swearing on his children's lives btw. Obviously a meaningless remark in this day and age but still.

Gosh you're salty today

What is an NSM? N Senior Minister? And damn, prison huh. Staggering incompetence once again.

I mean, think how lucky we are for this Netflix documentary Any other football team supporters in the land, if they were given the chance to watch behind the scenes coverage of the misery of a second consecutive relegation for their rival club, followed by an abject humbling in League One, they'd think all their Christmases had come at once The fact that it's bought and paid for by Sunderland fans is just.. all the more incredible. "We'll pay for you to watch us burn". The darkest days in the history of their club, broadcast to the world. Amazing.

What is the big deal about the Huawei leak?

Based on what I knew about Corbyn and the extent of antisemitism at the time, I felt there was sufficient doubt. The first thing I've seen that is unequivocable is that damn book. The rest of this, I was happy to go with benefit of the doubt. As were many people on here. In fact I recall Gloom himself frequently stating that Corbyn wasn't an antisemite.

Yeah, I can see that argument now. Believe it or not my friend, prior to getting immersed in ToonTastic's review of antisemitism in the Labour party, I wouldn't look at something like this and see Jews. And I didn't. I saw something that confirmed my own biases. Illuminati style, world running rich people keeping everyone else down. Not apologising for that either, I really have never spent any time, prior to talking on here, thinking about or discussing the possibility of a Jewish conspiracy running the world..!

I'd hit this point over Brexit alone, but anyone who believes that there is a 'Jewish conspiracy' keeping everyone down instead of structural problems perpetuated by an unfair system, is clearly not going to be capable of addressing the main problems. Honestly I can't believe that this is the standard of politician we seem to have. I mean I never really thought politicians were intelligent, but I'd credited them with at least some level of rational thought. The one thing Brexit has delivered in a positive sense is to hopelessly expose the crazies on all sides now. There are precious few competent politicians left.

I seem to recall being more fired up about why the media had chosen to obsess about the mural at a time several years after it was first reported, almost as if they had an agenda. I also recall looking at it and not seeing 'Jewish people' myself. I don't really remember the English irony comments. I imagine there's some supporting context though.

I mean, it wasn't really a deflection more than a reminder. I'm intensely keen we don't wade back into the middle of this again, and am quite concerned that lessons of why we're here aren't being learned I've heard statements like the NATO one before from fairly radical lefties in my social group. I agree that it's a fantasy, but then the Russians would probably say that about what we think. Would be interesting to know which particular attributes of Western society Corbyn considers to not be 'free'.

Ok.

Let's not get into this again. Maybe we could just agree that Tory austerity and Labour's lack of resistance to it is what brought us here. I would consider that to be a failure of the centre, but it's not like the terminology matters really. You do at some point need to consider why people voted so strongly against the centre though.

I mean, I daresay that the homelessness crisis could have been solved with that. Maybe even half that.

We have him for the same reason we have Brexit. The failure of the centre.

What evidence have i refused to believe in the past?

I fucking hate Chris Grayling. This is such a waste of money it's untrue.

For me, I think this is enough to confirm that Corbyn probably does believe the Jewish conspiracy bollocks. And marks him as an antisemite. I haven't read the book or anything, but if it is as described here, then its an extremely poor look. I don't even think ignorance would wash as a defence really unless he wrote the foreword without reading any of it. Which is possible but fucking stupid. So he's either immensely incompetent, or antisemitic, or both. Either way he needs to go. He's ruined everything by being completely useless.

There's no way Netflix are going to pass up putting Pugwash in the documentary immortalised on film.

Beautiful