Rayvin

Why Corbyn, fucking WHY?!

Opposition parties won't vote for GE until Benn passes - so there goes BoJo's bid to shaft us tomorrow.

I still think he's just a figurehead, sadly. Whenever anything relevant happens that he needs to pivot on, he trots out Labour's previously held position, despite it no longer having relevancy, and then two days later he's rolled out with a more nuanced version of the position that they've programmed him with.

Having said that, it does at least sound like Labour are taking all the various threats of moving dates and ignoring laws quite seriously.

I don't understand, seriously, how Corbyn has continuously managed to be the second most terrifying person in the room on Brexit after Johnson. I'd currently rank him ahead of Farage on that metric.

Misread this, sorry. Yeah I agree, hard to imagine him not voting it through.

I don't think it's going to have much to do with Corbyn and personalities this time around. Labour will crash and burn because they don't have the middle class remainers. Why they've not realised this I don't know, but there it is. Ultimately though it doesn't matter, hopefully, because if Labour can get itself to a position of at least committing to a second referendum, and Swinson can handle letting Corbyn be PM, we can have a rainbow coalition of Remain and Remain-lite (Labour), deliver the second referendum and then, very likely, have another GE a bit later on when the country is voting for things other than Brexit (if it looks safe to do so).

Aye true, but they seem to have remained fairly united so far, with the exception of Macron's blustering. If there was a pledge to have an election or referendum this time, I think even he'd swallow it.

In which case Labour shouldn't vote it through. Hopefully this is them establishing their narrative for not doing so.

Yes but with the GE, I think the EU would give us that as a last roll of the dice. From their point of view they're choosing between the worst case scenario and the chance that everything may all go away - they'll choose the latter.

I mean it should actually be treason, surely?

Labour claimed earlier that they will only back a GE if they have cast iron and legal assurances that the campaigning window won't extend past Brexit day (or October 18th I think it was, to be accurate).

I'm struggling to imagine that a Parliament that ruled out No Deal last time around could possibly have changed its mind just because Johnson is at the helm. I think it's a fairly safe bet Parliament will torpedo it today. It's tomorrow where everything gets exciting.

Yep, at least cards will finally be on the table after today.

Honestly I would read this with a sense of openmindedness for his view if it wasn't for the fact that I've seen that video of him celebrating goals against a 14 yr old like its some kind of achievement, and am now literally incapable of respecting anything he says, the narcissistic little fuckhead.

Is there a strategy?

So apparently in his speech shortly, Boris will say that we will have a vote on a GE if the Benn bill gets through tomorrow. And the GE will be October 14th.

That's encouraging I guess.

Yeah, this is the terrifying possibility with Labour. They need to resist that GE no matter what, and yet we all know they'll dive in, get destroyed in the GE, Corbyn resigns and none of it matters anymore because all that's left for whoever takes over to 'oppose' the government on is whether or not the poor have the right to food.

The GE gambit was that Boris sets the date for post October thus ensuring No Deal and running the election as the man who not only delivered Brexit, but also the one who knows how to steer us into pastures new. At least according to a number of the political commentators.

Legend Well done for getting here.

Polls have the Tories well ahead of everyone else on 33% as things stand. Labour are on 22%, LDs, 21%. Brexit Party neutered back to 12%. Johnson has done what he needed to in order to defeat that threat.

I think they will. Gauke seems to think they're planning on calling a GE once that's deselected the rebels. This is Corbyn's moment to prove he isnt a total cretin. If Labour backs that GE then they have basically enabled a far right coup. If they refuse to back it, Johnson loses his majority, Parliament takes control of the Brexit process, and No Deal is basically averted. While everyone is talking about how much of blinder Johnson has played here, his plan basically hinges on the terrifyingly possible stupidity of the Labour Party.

I read this post through and thought "fucking hell, that's perhaps the most intelligent thing essembee has ever posted" and then did a double take. I agree with you. It was unsettling for a moment though.

Does anyone see any positives/ways out of this situation btw? I've given up personally but I'm hoping I'm just being too cynical.