Rayvin

It's not so much equivalence as a demonstration that the current state of US affairs wasn't exactly positive pre-Trump, and that there was an awful lot less (none) outcry about it.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-build-cages-immigrants/ EDIT - my bad, somehow missed that post.

Seems the only thing we can do to arm ourselves in the future of increasing misinformation...

https://www.buzzfeed.com/markdistefano/new-poll-third-young-british-males-anti-feminism 33% of young men in the UK identify as Anti-Feminist, with 42% of all men believing feminism demonises men. This is because of the basic disconnect in interpretations IMO. Your average, on the street every day feminist believes it's about equality, so will interpret the above as "33% believe women shouldn't be equal" The reality is that feminists don't understand how many misandrists are talking on their behalf, and who are in turn being picked up by people like Sargon and used as 'the enemy'. I think we may finally be in trouble tbh. 33% of YOUNG men. And btw, it absolutely is a gateway drug into the depths of the far right for those without critical thinking skills.

I was challenged on this earlier and it does actually turn out that children in cages was an Obama initiative... I find this possibly more alarming than if it had been Trump.

This club is a joke.

Aye, I think you're right tbh. She needs to work through it, no shame in it at all and it sounds like she has many positives to use to build herself back up if she gets the right counselling professional. Good luck.

Ok maybe it's not even a couples counselling issue so much as a personal counselling issue. She needs to remember that she's her own woman. Maybe even needs to rebuild her ego from the ground up since her worry sounds incessant. I think the first step might be a kind of intervention style sit down where you all express that you love and care about her, but that her inability to handle what has happened to her is driving a wedge between her and everyone in her life (which is doubtless obvious to her as well, and making her worry worse) - and from there, ask her to go to counselling, maybe even find a good one for her, and indicate that none of you are going anywhere, you're all there to support her, but that this is important and that she needs to take ownership of the situation too. The difficult thing really is that you can't "save" other people. They have to see it and save themselves. But you can at least try to bring the issue to a head. Maybe keep her husband out of it though in case she starts getting defensive and deflecting onto him/triggering some kind of argument. If she does get defensive maybe just wait for her to get it all out every time she jumps in, and then bring her back with "we understand what happened but..." It's a tough one man, sorry you're going through it - I can imagine how frustrating it is for a family that just wants to be happy together. Further down the line I think it might be worth the couples counselling and your Father IL coming to terms with how much damage his actions caused also.

This is very true also tbf. Can be hard to just stand on the sidelines though.

Really difficult situation since she is in effect justified in her paranoia about the situation. I mean it's fairly clear I would think that some manner of couples counselling is appropriate. Trust is a really difficult thing to win back and from how you've described it, it would seem that your Mother In Law's self esteem took a hammering from this - having said that though, if she's not getting any affection or reassuring comfort from her husband then that is unlikely to be helping. If she can't get past it, then they should divorce, clearly. I suspect fear of being alone is putting them off that though. I would say maybe some activities to build your Mum IL's confidence up might help? Make her feel more empowered and in control of her life, not in a constant state of worry about someone else's behaviour? Maybe your wife could take her on holiday or whatever (you could even potentially coincide it with a lads one and advise her Mum that you'll keep a firm eye on her husband if it helps for the first few times). But I think restoring her own agency and sense of value in her own self might be important. I mean if she's constantly worrying about him cheating or straying then she's obviously worried about the extent to which he values or loves her. She can't control that though, so she's better served valuing and loving herself.

He's going to win a second term IMO. There is little evidence so far that the Democrats understand why they lost last time...

And now the fanbase divides. In the end, the people who just can't take this anymore are the ones who won't go, and they'll just give up on the club in the end. The loyalists I guess will get to see the sunlit uplands of post-Ashley NUFC, but they might have another 10 years of pain ahead of them. One day he'll be gone, but those who were forced to stop caring will probably not be able to reconnect in the same way, and those who cared throughout will realise it's not the same as it was, because so much died along the way. Ashley has destroyed the club. /Melodrama.

She's a fucking idiot.

I mean what has she said to justify it, not so much why has she done it I accept her reasons won't be principled from the get go.

On what basis?

No mistake about this tbh, it's as clear a middle finger to the fans as is possible. And the approach to Allardyce... the word 'cunt' isn't enough for Ashley. He's a sadistic medieval warlord in the wrong era. Seriously, fuck this club. I'm done with it. Waste of emotional energy.

Let's just scrap the party now, it's pointless. We're going to be living in a right wing dystopia anyway, makes no odds either way.

The mackems will think Christmas has come early What a shambles that is. Rafa to Bruce. Wonder if it's because "he's a geordie"...

I genuinely think he believes that the state is out to get him. I daresay there are certain activist groups who are but I'd be very surprised if the Tory government was actively pursuing him... Having said that, if he flees to the US he'll probably never be able to come back for fear of serving that sentence, so part of me hopes it happens.

The only way Labour get me back on side for this is if they literally come out and say that they will 100% give us a referendum with remain as an option. No more deals, negotiations, whatever, just a fucking referendum. If they can announce that loudly and clearly, I will vote for them. If we had another vote, and people were able to look at the ACTUAL options (i.e. No Deal, May's Deal, Remain) and they still voted for even No Deal, I would accept it. The unconscionable, undemocratic and totally fucking stupid position we're now in with the country being split hasn't come about because Remainers can't accept the result of a referendum, it's come about because the Tories have been free to interpret the outcome of an almost 50:50 vote as a mandate to get the most extreme version of the outcome possible, for which they are prepared to actually break apart the fucking country. The position we find ourselves was never credibly discussed before the original vote, and is the reason why this desperately needs another referendum. If the country votes to annihilate itself next time out, I firmly believe most Remainers will just accept it sadly. But we are the only ones in the country at the moment who can actually see what has just happened for what it is, and we are not fucking wrong to be trying to stop it. The vote has been fucking hijacked by people who are at this point, effectively right wing extremists - all to save the fucking Tory party. Labour's total refusal to show some backbone on this issue has been an absolute disgrace, and I say this as someone who was firmly wedded to the Corbyn project. It's sickening. It's a betrayal.

It is definitely dead, mostly because Labour fucked it up. Those talks with May made it very clear that a Labour Brexit was still a hard Brexit. No point compromising with lunatics. Labour are the ones who need to move, not Remainers.

It's incredible. He's going to prison for something he 100% did, and nothing to do with his politics. He has only himself to blame.

The remain vote cannot split next time. If there is anything left of the establishment powers of the centre ground, it needs to make sure that doesn't happen. As an aside, I note that Tommy Robinson has just pleaded for political asylum in the US. An interesting development. Maybe he'll be the new ambassador under a Johnson government

Labour won't do anything effective to back remain until November 1st at the earliest.