Rayvin

Been on the cards for a while now so the opposition can't say they weren't warned. Where is the resistance to this?

I think part of the problem with Bruce is that he might -just- be good enough to keep us up. Which means we have yet another year of Ashley at the helm, however long it takes. We need to go down and stay down. Aside from that, the guy is of course bang average, managed Sunderland, and has been foisted on us in part because he's a geordie and Ashley legitimately thinks we're that fucking tribal that this should matter.

What was the justification? Just the usual bollocks? I mean, did they acknowledge that it would ruin them?

Sorry to hear that man, and best of luck indeed with the appeal.

The players don't set the price tags but they very likely are influenced by them. I appreciate to someone with self esteem as robust as yours that this may be an alien issue, but some people care about what others think when they end up consistently making an arse of themselves in public

Surprised he isn't a mackem tbh.

I don't really understand what you're arguing with me for then because i said the last bit two posts back. But if you want me to concede that the league is tougher this year so his job is harder than Rafa's, I'm not sure we have the data to determine that. We may well be worse, but I'm not sure the league gets better and better each year.

I think a lot of teams spend money to stand still. Is our team better than last year? We spent plenty. If you think Bruce is right and he's got a tougher job on his hands than Rafa then fair enough, guess he's due patience and sympathy then.

I feel like if you look at just the money, the squad should be stronger on paper. I don't know or care really, I doubt the league is any tougher this year than it was last year by any objective measure. Losing Rondon is a self inflicted injury but I suppose that's not Bruce's fault. What is his fault is that he joined a club that had just gouged out its forward line and replaced it with a guy who scored 7 goals last season.

Have to say mind, I've been enjoying following these arguments even if I am a couple of days late to them

I like Rafa. I dont like Bruce. If you want me to be endlessly objective and impartial, go to the politics threads

See, it's this dross that underlines his unsuitability. This squad wasn't just "staying up" last year. It was competent. So Bruce's plan and expectation is basically that he won't be as good as Rafa, so all we can hope for is that he's not so much worse that we go down. So he doesn't even rate himself. And the PL hasn't become harder. We've spent so much that it should actually be easier for us this year. The man is a complete waste of space.

Totally the same Strawb. It's more or less killed the game for me. I imagine we're just ahead of the curve though, surely plenty of other teams will eventually end up in the same place. Happy to be cannon fodder for the "big" clubs.

The only good thing we can do for this club is stop supporting it until Ashley goes. Some disagree, but that's where i am now. If we continue it's just an endorsement of his regime. Best case scenario for us is we go down and stay down. I'd even take League One if it just got rid of that absolute parasite. We won't go anywhere under Ashley, so whatever painful ego death we have to endure to get rid of him is worth it in my book.

Almost all of us want to be relegated mate, it's the only way to remove the cancer. Don't read too much into your season from this result, we're a hollowed out shell of a football club. Having said that, with us going down it increases your chances of staying up. Good luck with it.

Sunderland https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/people-sunderland-warned-stop-defacating-16765897

And despite impartial reporting in the media for the past two years, somehow Corbyn has come off worse than those two.

Yeah but they could probably do without underlining that pre-GE. Ignoring even just the Lib Dem angle, it could harm Remain if centre right voters feel they have to make a choice between a Corbyn government and Remain.

Really difficult one. On the basis of avoiding Brexit/No Deal at all costs, the Lib Dems should put up with just about anything, but I can see why it's a problem for them. If they're seen to be supporting a Corbyn government then that's going to be front and centre of any upcoming election campaign from the tories. Vote LD, get Corbyn. And that might mean we lose seats in some of the places where the LDs are the only viable alternative to the Tories. It's actually surprisingly clever from Labour which pisses me off somewhat. Of course, Corbyn could come out and make clear that any such government would be established on the basis of one specific policy issue, and that out of respect for the differing opinions on other issues that have led him into power, he will not undertake to make any other radical reforms beyond general upkeep of the country, and that once Brexit is resolved, he will immediately call a GE. But he's not going to do that.

Just so you know, I appreciate your consistency.

I mean, I could do it. Let's be real, almost anyone in here could run the Labour Party more effectively than it is presently being operated. And I could just tell them that I identify as a woman. No one would be able to say a damn thing.

This was surprisingly sparse on details

Watson is too divisive for the party membership IMO. Needs to be someone a bit more understated - probably wouldn't hurt if it was a woman, either.

I mean the same was kind of true with Corbyn

Yes I guess so. EU elections were the time to do it. So we'll sail into the abyss for the sake of disaster socialism, apparently.