Rayvin

Is there a strategy?

So apparently in his speech shortly, Boris will say that we will have a vote on a GE if the Benn bill gets through tomorrow. And the GE will be October 14th.

That's encouraging I guess.

Yeah, this is the terrifying possibility with Labour. They need to resist that GE no matter what, and yet we all know they'll dive in, get destroyed in the GE, Corbyn resigns and none of it matters anymore because all that's left for whoever takes over to 'oppose' the government on is whether or not the poor have the right to food.

The GE gambit was that Boris sets the date for post October thus ensuring No Deal and running the election as the man who not only delivered Brexit, but also the one who knows how to steer us into pastures new. At least according to a number of the political commentators.

Legend Well done for getting here.

Polls have the Tories well ahead of everyone else on 33% as things stand. Labour are on 22%, LDs, 21%. Brexit Party neutered back to 12%. Johnson has done what he needed to in order to defeat that threat.

I think they will. Gauke seems to think they're planning on calling a GE once that's deselected the rebels. This is Corbyn's moment to prove he isnt a total cretin. If Labour backs that GE then they have basically enabled a far right coup. If they refuse to back it, Johnson loses his majority, Parliament takes control of the Brexit process, and No Deal is basically averted. While everyone is talking about how much of blinder Johnson has played here, his plan basically hinges on the terrifyingly possible stupidity of the Labour Party.

I read this post through and thought "fucking hell, that's perhaps the most intelligent thing essembee has ever posted" and then did a double take. I agree with you. It was unsettling for a moment though.

Does anyone see any positives/ways out of this situation btw? I've given up personally but I'm hoping I'm just being too cynical.

Yeah but you can't look at that as a statement of people's earnest analysis of the situation. That's just the tribal Brexit voters backing the guy who will fuck them in the specific way they requested. Once Brexit is out of the way, if he did something like this, I don't think he would poll so favourably.

https://news.sky.com/story/tory-grandee-ken-clarke-id-be-prepared-to-back-jeremy-corbyn-as-caretaker-pm-11797355 Ken Clarke is ok with Corbyn becoming caretaker PM to avert No Deal. I'm in the camp of 'too little, too late' now, but you never know I guess.

Indeed. This is my favourite: Matt Hancock

Been on the cards for a while now so the opposition can't say they weren't warned. Where is the resistance to this?

I think part of the problem with Bruce is that he might -just- be good enough to keep us up. Which means we have yet another year of Ashley at the helm, however long it takes. We need to go down and stay down. Aside from that, the guy is of course bang average, managed Sunderland, and has been foisted on us in part because he's a geordie and Ashley legitimately thinks we're that fucking tribal that this should matter.

What was the justification? Just the usual bollocks? I mean, did they acknowledge that it would ruin them?

Sorry to hear that man, and best of luck indeed with the appeal.

The players don't set the price tags but they very likely are influenced by them. I appreciate to someone with self esteem as robust as yours that this may be an alien issue, but some people care about what others think when they end up consistently making an arse of themselves in public

Surprised he isn't a mackem tbh.

I don't really understand what you're arguing with me for then because i said the last bit two posts back. But if you want me to concede that the league is tougher this year so his job is harder than Rafa's, I'm not sure we have the data to determine that. We may well be worse, but I'm not sure the league gets better and better each year.

I think a lot of teams spend money to stand still. Is our team better than last year? We spent plenty. If you think Bruce is right and he's got a tougher job on his hands than Rafa then fair enough, guess he's due patience and sympathy then.

I feel like if you look at just the money, the squad should be stronger on paper. I don't know or care really, I doubt the league is any tougher this year than it was last year by any objective measure. Losing Rondon is a self inflicted injury but I suppose that's not Bruce's fault. What is his fault is that he joined a club that had just gouged out its forward line and replaced it with a guy who scored 7 goals last season.

Have to say mind, I've been enjoying following these arguments even if I am a couple of days late to them

I like Rafa. I dont like Bruce. If you want me to be endlessly objective and impartial, go to the politics threads

See, it's this dross that underlines his unsuitability. This squad wasn't just "staying up" last year. It was competent. So Bruce's plan and expectation is basically that he won't be as good as Rafa, so all we can hope for is that he's not so much worse that we go down. So he doesn't even rate himself. And the PL hasn't become harder. We've spent so much that it should actually be easier for us this year. The man is a complete waste of space.