Rayvin

I think the old left vs right narrative is collapsing. The battle of our era is Globalists vs Anti-globalists. And as globalists we need to do more to bring a greater number of people with us. Both the hard left and right are resisting us which is partially why we're in this mess. As for the far right, I think the 'actual' far right is no more prevalent than it has ever been. The Alt right anti globalists are in ascendancy but it can only go on for so long since, apart from tearing everything apart, they have nothing constructive to offer.

I don't think they counted on Corbyn refusing a GE until the bill passes. I'm pretty sure everything hinged on that GE. Although I still feel that Labour should rule it out altogether until after Brexit and simply force the Tories into collapsing and just create a new government on the fly for the purposes of having a referendum. Although I do concede that this will probably hospitalise some of the Brexiteers with higher blood pressure.

It's actually pretty good TV though tbf.

Which is why we need the democratic mandate offered by a second referendum.

This is a good point actually He's politically castrated himself. Whether the opposition actually goes through with this humiliation I don't know...

Yeah but the other side of that equation is Corbyn. It's a tough choice for 'moderates'.

How does he get that majority given that presumably, everyone who wants to avoid No Deal voted for this pre-amendment motion tonight. He doesn't have a majority, he's got nothing. His only chance now is a GE.

He didn't have the face of someone who looked like they were getting everything they wanted. And he was humiliated earlier when he had to actually respond to pressing questions. I thought we were inevitably heading for No Deal, but now, seeing his abject performance tonight, I'm actually more positive. No one on the 'No Deal' side had any answers to anything, they just ran away from all questions and scrutiny. He doesn't have the balls to veto the extension. He doesn't even have enough balls to resign when he gets forced to ask for an extension.

I'm not sure about this stance from Corbyn. Ok so the bill gets passed first, great, but if the GE is still pre-exit date, then it potentially changes nothing. A GE isn't the way to solve this. I would have said that simply rejecting the GE, forcing a vote of no confidence and then trying to create a new government through coalition with the sole aim of getting a referendum through, would be the way to go. A GE opens the door for Boris to come back with a bigger mandate.

So this has to be the play for Remain, surely. We can get the motherfucking referendum that way. Labour can walk away without blame cos the people will decide no matter what, and then we can go on from there with the Tories in ruins.

This high theatre of just fascinating. People ask questions and then sit down on their phones, I doubt anyone changes their minds as it happens. What is it for? Until Brexit did anyone actually even pay any attention?

But what would the outcome be if not a GE?

JRM is an absolute charlatan. He's ducked every difficult question.

It might not even need the Lib Dems at the rate the Tories are imploding...

If the amendment passes, and the GE vote fails, can the government be subject to a vote of no confidence anyway? And could a Labour/SNP/Lib Dem coalition take over?

Honestly I reckon those days are used trying to understand what the fuck it is the government has randomly decided to implement for the year ahead.

"Jeremy Corbyn's Surrender Bill" "No precedent for such a bill" - Isn't this the third one we had this year?

Impressed Shearer has waded into it mind.

Beautiful

Why Corbyn, fucking WHY?!

Opposition parties won't vote for GE until Benn passes - so there goes BoJo's bid to shaft us tomorrow.

I still think he's just a figurehead, sadly. Whenever anything relevant happens that he needs to pivot on, he trots out Labour's previously held position, despite it no longer having relevancy, and then two days later he's rolled out with a more nuanced version of the position that they've programmed him with.

Having said that, it does at least sound like Labour are taking all the various threats of moving dates and ignoring laws quite seriously.

I don't understand, seriously, how Corbyn has continuously managed to be the second most terrifying person in the room on Brexit after Johnson. I'd currently rank him ahead of Farage on that metric.

Misread this, sorry. Yeah I agree, hard to imagine him not voting it through.