Rayvin

All I'm really saying is that I prefer them to be honest about what they're doing. So everytime someone like JRM or whoever this guy is pops up and 'tells it like it is' from the Tory viewpoint, I internally start preferring them to Johnson, Gove, May, Cameron, Osborne and all the other Tories who want the same thing but hide it in order to get votes.

Woah woah woah I said some of it wasn't crazy. It wasnt a full endorsement of his manifesto, and anything I didn't mention specifically you can file under crazy and something I'm totally opposed to. Fucking hell Renton, man.

Why? What in there looks bad?

Yes. I prefer this honesty to the current state of play

Im not talking from the viewpoint of things i would vote for personally, but what he is talking about is at least traditional Toryism. Not the weird masquerade we have these days because so many of the ideas are unpalatable. Better to have them take a principled stand for their values and be judged on those, than hiding behind all the usual bullshit.

I was thinking primarily of the house building but the vouchers to enable lower income households to attend private schools sounded interesting, not that I totally understand it or have a full appraisal of the implications. Suggestions for decluttering the NHS sound ok. He didn't mention privatisation. Scrapping HS2 sounds ok, not totally sold on Rentons vision. Abandoning political correctness and virtue signalling at least means everyone is saying what they mean again, and this ship is sailing as we speak regardless.

Not all of that is crazy. And moreover, while i would oppose a lot of it, at least they'd be being honest and transparent about conservatism.

I do, sadly. I think by October we'll either crash out or we will know for certain that we're having another vote.

I think our American friends might he doing us a favour by droning on about the NHS being part of discussions post-Brexit...

Ewerk is right that while any of them support Remain, they're the only people to vote for. But one day soon that matter is going to be settled, and I see nothing whatsoever to indicate that the centre is about to rally and come to the fore to sort the country out. What a mess. I don't know enough about Umunna to say if he's a cunt or not, but he's clearly strategically inept at a minimum.

Ok let's be honest about it, Change UK was a Blairite splinter movement that has been knocked on its arse. That's your old school centreground beaten before it even got started. I have reluctantly come around to believing that the solutions to our problems lie in the centre, but it is transparently obvious that it can't be the same centre that brought us here. The Lib Dems would be dead as doornails as well if not for the Remain surge. The window for the centre to come up with something credible is fast collapsing.

I should know by now I guess.

Not arguing with why people have doubts, but there's a frankly amazing number of people who think that just because you're a billionaire, you shouldn't have a care in the world about dropping £25m just to start a conversation about a sale...

It was mean spirited and sarcastic. I thought the next line confirmed that

Yeah I don't think this is gonna change much for them but whatever. Good luck to them for the season ahead. They can disappoint a brand new chairman now.

Yeah that's possible for sure. It would be grimly hilarious if we managed to go from Rafa staying and a billion pound takeover to Ashley for another decade and someone like Tony Pulis

I was under the impression the alleged new owners had simply revealed that they weren't too bothered if he left. Also, I feel like that was something that the journos claimed, rather than was actually announced (although I could be wrong).

Didn't the guys spearheading the takeover say that they wouldn't get it done until long after Rafa's contract is sorted out? Not sure this demonstrates anything, with that in mind.

I mean Lemme know when you spot one with legs.

Spot on as usual.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/02/constituency-voted-leave-labour-oppose-brexit-sunderland Bridget on Brexit^

Why would they choose Mourinho or Wenger over Benitez. He's at least in the same tier as they are, and has arguably done a better job in recent times anyway.

Would we? I genuinely don't think it would have even occurred to me. Maybe if it was an icon like Shearer... is that how they see Henderson? He's way too beige a player for that kind of love, surely?

Why are any of them celebrating this like it's a victory for them... is Henderson the first mackem in living memory to win something? Carrick is a Geordie isn't he? It didn't register with me at all whenever he won anything.

Behold, the human cost of the Tories: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/01/perfect-storm-austerity-behind-130000-deaths-uk-ippr-report 131 000 lives, lost to austerity.