Rayvin

I just want to remain in the EU But having said that, we can either continue to have this abject fucking austerity driven mess that we're currently living under, aided and abetted by the Lib Dems and even old New Labour, or we can have some actual positive change. And if it all falls apart in a few years then the Tories can sweep back in and pretend to be the party of competence again. At least in the meantime we'll have fewer people dying on the streets.

Why is it impossible? How long does it take to sort out a referendum? I thought the idea on drugs wasn't stealing it, it was simply denying public funding to anyone who doesn't play ball. Honestly though man, this is the sort of stuff people will get behind. Labour have looked uncertain and dithering for ages, but Corbyn looks totally confident on this GE. There's a lot of stuff in that speech that I totally support and would love to see come in.

I'm listening to Labour's policy on Brexit and it's clear and it makes sense - it continues to perplex me why anyone thinks this is a bad position: Corbyn says only Labour is offering a referendum.

SNP have come out and said they would back a VONC which presumably means they're comfortable with a Corbyn led government. Last time I checked Labour + the SNP were about 7 seats behind the Tories in numbers, so we'd need some independents to back it, or the Liberals - none of whom will. So a government of national unity is out of the question at the moment I think, as the centrists won't countenance Corbyn.

Boris sticking to his guns it seems. Presumably the idea is just to ride it out.

Watson has given his speech slot to Corbyn and pulled out of the conference, preferring to go back to Parliament tomorrow. Mini-crisis averted.

It's certainly the one way to deliver a safe leave. How far all these parties are prepared to work together is unclear though, Remain has been hopelessly disunited.

I've wondered this too, and I can only think it's because it lacks legitimacy without a coalition government behind it. Also not totally clear that there is a majority - a good number of Labour MPs seem to want a deal.

If true there can be no cause for complaint then I suppose. Although it -could- have been done by now if not for the Tories going for hard Brexit.

Eventually leavers will have to acknowledge that they were lied to. I don't know why this is so difficult for some people but there it is. It's not really zerosum's fault for voting leave based on a pack of absolute bullshit that he didn't know was bullshit at the time, but it is his responsibility to acknowledge that once it becomes clear.

Well then we agree on that point

I just noticed this in the Guardian: The fact that all the main opposition parties are now either directly calling for Boris Johnson’s resignation (Labour, the SNP and Plaid Cymru) or saying he is not fit to be PM (the Lib Dems - but effectively it means the same thing) will make it harder for them to explain why they are not tabling a motion of no confidence. But Jeremy Corbyn would not want to hold a vote without being sure that it would lead to MPs voting for an alternative government (preferably one led by him), and there is no guarantee of that at the moment. And without a viable alternative government, a successful vote of no confidence would lead to an election - and possibly a no-deal Brexit on 31 October in the meantime.

This is fucking ridiculous and should be stamped on quickly. Today should be all about Johnson and this bullshit with Watson is a total distraction anyway.

Emergency government of national unity or whatever they call it? I mean he'll try to demand a GE but I doubt he'll get it.

I agree - Labour's current stance is actually what the membership wanted them to do the previous year, and had they done it, the LD resurgence wouldn't have happened. But what is your concern here? It sounds like you're concerned about Labour's electoral prospects, but since we're talking about them losing out to the LDs, it doesn't harm remain. Which has been my central point for two pages. Labour's position does still leave the door open for soft leavers - and apparently they have 52% of 2017 Labour Leavers to play for. They're the only group in the remain + labour voter base that can be 'lost' from a remain standpoint.

Farage is such a fucking charlatan

Farage has called for Cummings to quit calling proroguation the worst decision ever Political Mastermind.

Whether through incompetence or strategy, they made the right decision. And I'm sticking to that until someone comes along and actually points out how competing with the Lib Dems for remain voters does anything to strengthen the chances of a remain parliament.

The situation in a wider sense isn't, but watching Johnson hauled over hot coals for all of his sins is rather enjoyable. He's a remainer who switched sides for political advantage. I have no doubt in my mind that we're here because of the Tories, and in light of the fact that I may have to stomach Brexit, I'm going to enjoy watching them self destruct in the meantime.

Corbyn has already started failing to capitalise on this IMO by having the weakest statement imaginable in response to it. "Johnson should consider his position". I think he could have done with a bit more passion in that one. I share everyone's certainty that he will fail to make this stick.

It's the Tories who stopped us leaving in March, not everyone else. The diehard Leavers, in fact. Remember, May had a majority back then, the opposition votes were meaningless if she could command the full support of her party. But yes, the limbo isn't helpful - and I'd put a second vote before any and all other considerations.

The country will be fine - the journalists will get excited about it but some semblance of normality will have returned by tomorrow and we'll get back to fighting over Brexit again. Boris has already said he won't resign, I don't see anything hugely damaging taking place from Parliament agreeing to sit again.

Ah come on man, the drama is enjoyable. Politics has never been this engaging in living memory. It's like a soap opera - lies, cheating, breaking the law, expulsions, betrayals, Johnson battering his partner - all we need now is for some kind of forbidden 'cross the aisle' love affair between JRM and Thornberry and it'd have everything

Apparently it's up to Bercow what happens next. So yeah, I think we can assume Parliament is coming back. The UK is just hilarious at the moment

Why is the BBC reporting that this is just the first part of the case? What else will follow?