Rayvin

Not if we stay down.

I mean, it's so insane that I can't actually believe he said it. I want to believe his account was hacked or something.

He actually tweeted this, apparently:

I don't think we're heading that way anyway. Feels to me more like we're going to run the gauntlet to October 31st.

Rebel Tories now working against the opposition to seize control of daily business. Small win for Boris.

As much as I still think we need to get relegated, it's hard to be a cynic on this one. Great for Matty, really happy for him.

If anyone wants cheering up, RTG is in full on crisis mode after their loss to Lincoln City, and subsequent goading by the Lincoln fans. Apparently Lincoln were non league a couple of years back and this represents the ultimate nadir for Sunderland. Until the next one.

I think Bruce's tenure here will be so disgraceful (and short) that I'll simply 'forget' he was ever manager at all.

Are you now an incel? The guardian has some serious concerns.

This enduring notion of Soros being some kind of left-wing kingpin is absurd. Even if he is everything they say he is, he's one rich guy against many rich guys. At worst he's an isolated example of a Left wing version of people like Rees Mogg himself.

Aye, there's no technicality that can save them short of Hungary or something vetoing it.

Nigel Farage himself, nailed on.

I'm gonna say mind, this is going to be a tragedy for the entire country, leave or remain. If fucking useless May hadn't decided it was hard Brexit or bust, we could have had a mediocre soft Brexit that was kinda pointless but probably does in some stupid way represent where the country actually was at the time. Now we have all or nothing Brexit, no matter who wins, we lose.

I don't think there really is much will to get rid of him outside of a few Momentum ultras. The impression I had from that whole 'mess' was that no one in Labour high command much cared, and it was coming from a grassroots democratic/administrative process.

Surely that's literally treason. Engaging a foreign power to undermine the strategic position of your own realm?

Is all of this enough of a corner to actually get us out of this?

Grieve has been the Tory hero for me in this whole mess. And I think while watching the Tory party fall apart has been a lifelong dream, it's actually starting to make me nervous. It's falling apart in a rather dangerous political direction.

If he does, Parliament will revoke. For sure. If Johnson goes that far, he'll have justified an extreme response.

At the end of the day, they're doing what they have to do to save their party. That's all any of them care about anyway. It's transparent - if the British public fall for it then they're a pack of fucking morons, but in the end there's only so long we can avoid asking them what they think.

I think this too, although then we're playing into his hands also. It's going to be brutal, any GE off the back of this.

Which is by far and away the most legitimate choice, even though I myself would prefer someone who can't be easily politicised in the upcoming elections.

If Labour enable this in any way, I'm back to never voting for them again. I don't care if it's just one Labour MP. Until that MP is purged out of the party, they lose my vote. We cannot have Boris and Gove win this after all their machinations. There needs to be a consequence for those who caused it.

Fair point, I would take that with bells on though.

They'll be fine, with or without us but maybe. In other news: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-49913840 Kuennsberg is actually using the line that the Benn Act made Boris' life harder for getting a deal. She's legitimizing the insane notion that No Deal was helping us at all.

What do the EU care once we're out? I really think they'd be fine with us getting a deal, the extent to which they need us has been hugely overblown. Or do you mean assuming it gets voted down in Parliament? Frankly I think they'd be fine with No Deal, I suspect they just want it over without looking like the bad guys.