Rayvin

Why do you think it is, Essembee? I think Meenzer is probably right.

What's this about the DUP wanting to be in minority government with Labour? They've finally come to their senses I guess. Also i was told that Sinn Fein may stand aside for other unionist MPs who could actually take seats in Westminster..?

I still think that evening standard article from a few days ago which invented Corbyn's response to make him look bad is one of the most horrific bits of reporting I've ever seen. The media have only ever cared about this because it's the only thing that actually sticks and i cannot be persuaded otherwise at this point. That doesn't make ewerk wrong and i think he's right in fact, but I'm not going to sit here and think to myself that anyone in the media gives a fuck about this issue beyond hurting Labour.

In modest defence of myself, I'm not mentally at 100% health these days. This stuff is pretty stressful at times.

I can't take this shit anymore. Tories have a 19 point lead one day then the next Labour have cut it down to 7. Which pollster do you believe??

I'm moving to Scotland in the next few weeks and will then look to Northern Europe. I can take my work with me as things stand and a couple of other friends of mine are making similar moves. I'm just done with this country now. Good riddance to it. As for my expectations, what concerns me is that the Tories have aligned themselves with the UKIP culture warriors to win this election, so they will take on a number of their extreme social ideals. I expect slow degrading of services with claims that the only resolution to increasing failures of the NHS and other key public services is to privatise them. Slowly enough that people don't notice their lives getting more and more shit. In mindset, people will double down on their stupidity over Brexit and the Tories, claiming it's never been better and throwing up any trivial success story as a justification. These people will readily buy into that narrative next time out because it clears their consciences. I don't see any success for Labour in the coming years, especially because this election defeat will break apart the broad church. I think yes, alignment with the US (a dying super power increasingly concerned with its own decline instead of a culturally vibrant and resurgent Europe) but with a view to being more like Singapore. There are even some advantages to that on the surface level, but inequality will become ever more rampant and poverty will only continue to increase, sucking in more and more of the lower middle classes. The country will be unrecognizable from the one New Labour left behind by the end of those 5 years. The Tories feel emboldened even to stop hiding their cynicism and hatred of the poor. I think Scotland will force a referendum and will go. Northern Ireland as well. Tories will welcome it to continue their project. They've won the whole thing because they're prepared to do anything to win it. To say anything. To harm anyone. I'm just not spending the rest of my life in a country so pathetic that it keeps returning this political party to power. I have no respect for the UK now.

Good luck then. I hope it's not as bad as I fear it will be.

They'll accept anything if it's done slowly enough. There's no hope anymore man. I suggest you use the transition period to up sticks.

It'll be more than 5.

Given Sunderland's level recently he may in fact actually be thrilled at a draw. That could be a genuine statement of elation. I mean they nearly lost after all.

Guess I agree with this. But I think the sadder thing by far is that the nation won't learn from this, not Labour. In 5 years time the same shithousing, lies and bullshit will swing stupid people.

A pledge designed to secure a minority government that can't actually deliver it IMO. We've lost this anyway, it's going to be a Tory utopia.

Aye, I've wondered if anyone will be on here crowing about it when it happens. Although i think CT will come in with mock pity and claim that if only there was a good centrist option, he wouldn't have had to vote for literally Satan.

It's hard to tell on crowd bias. Were they pro-Labour or were they just well informed?

Tories have decided they've won tonight's TV thing. Apparently the thing they wanted most was for Corbyn to say something unequivocal on Brexit. Now they can stitch him up as they planned to no matter what he said, apparently.

I'm not convinced that there's an overwhelming demand for a return to centrism based on what we're seeing, it has to be said. I think we're in "pick a side" territory. CT has chosen the racist millionaires for some reason but there we go.

The country is £1.5tn in debt. Out of interest, where do you think the extra £700bn that the Tories have racked national debt up by since coming into power has actually gone? Since we're living under austerity etc.

This Tory government, if it leaves office, will be departing with a higher national debt than we've ever had, doubling what it was dealing with when it took over. They're morons man, you know they are.

God I hope the audience is just warming up for Johnson. Swinson deserves this for being willing to sacrifice Remain for LD power, but Johnson obviously deserves it more.

Strangely, it seems the LD position of clear revoke looks to be widely unpopular, divisive, and fucking stupid. If only we could have seen that coming...

She should have come down on Labour's side ffs. How hard was it to grasp that once the election took off, this was how it was going to go. Is she at least winning over any Tories?

I very much hope this is right. I also hope that the large numbers of students registering are in areas where it will make a difference.

I don't think anyone alive can swing the pro-Johnson crowd to a non-hard Brexit stance. Not even Blair. It's the undecideds that he needs to win over I guess.

That's good to hear. Will be interesting to see how Johnson does...

Good. Fucking sensible position and finally it will remove this stupid notion that he doesn't have a clear stance.