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Knowing this club, and Ashley, almost certainly yes.

Yeah I guess it is about the right time of year to start another bullshit takeover story.

They did, it was the 11 examples they seemed to struggle with. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/04/labour-adopts-ihra-antisemitism-definition-in-full

Well I know, but those tweets they're all citing suggest that they think there is. The lines are getting way too blurred on this now. Anti-semitism definitely is the one tool they have to beat Corbyn with, and he's so grossly mismanaged the whole thing that even I now think he might legitimately be antisemitic. But at the same time it's opened the floor up to any criticism of Israel becoming an issue on the same basis, apparently. I mean the Israelis must be loving this, what was that report a couple of years ago about them orchestrating take downs of anti-Israel MPs as admitted by their own embassy staff? Everything they ever wanted here.

Schofield seems to be accused of "anti-Semitism" in that thread for a tweet from 2010 which notes that David Milliband is pro-Israel in a disparaging way. How is that antisemitic? People are colossal morons these days, it's truly staggering.

This is just unbelievable from Labour, but it's also worth keeping in mind that the press has sat on all of this for apparently years so that it can be used at a time of maximum impact. If the press genuinely thought this was important, it would have come out at the time. Unless it's not the press and is in fact Labour members or politicians who have decided that now is the time to reveal all of this? Somebody knew about this a year ago and did fuck all with it until now.

Some mid-90s homophobia there takes me back.

Aye. It's the not dealing with it that gets me. And like, I understand sticking to his principles in having the freedom to criticise Israel, but at the end of the day it's a minor fucking issue that has no bearing on the country in any real sense. Just kill it off ffs.

Indeed. So dismal...

I'm gonna add that IMO they're probably right about this one in terms of subliminal reinforcement of negative prejudices, if not anyone's actual overt intent in use of the word.

It's not sexist if you use it against me, I'm male and therefore an oppressor not a victim. So fair enough

A thousand apologies Meenzer, I will rephrase - certain 4th wave feminists have at various points in their careers, expressed the view that everything was sexist and racist, and that it should be pointed out at all times. However, upon learning that this switched people off (not, importantly, upon learning that it was not true) they decided to choose the battles more carefully so that they were able to make some headway. As such, we can conclude that the word cunt is sexist, but that it is not politically convenient for this to be expressed at all times. There we go, a more accurate representation of what she says in the video that still basically supports everything I've said. Thanks for your time. FFS

I'm not watching through that for the context, if you have a point to make you can just tell me. Is it the word system? Language is a system. So then, the word cunt could be argued to be sexist because it was established in a linguistic system which denigrates and reduces the contributions and attributes of women, and in particular because this word has the infamy of being 'the worst word in English' while also being a word for female genitalia. Thus the system it was constructed within, and the word itself, are inherently sexist, and neither should ever be used by woke thinking people I'm open to you venturing your own theory on why the word cunt is sexist, I was actually talking entirely in earnest. Although having googled the matter I can see that the Guardian actually defended use of the word so maybe it's just an isolated incident (although I have heard murmurings about it being sexist in the past, not that I can remember where from).

Not sure of the implications of this image but I was quoting a 4th wave feminist directly

Everything is sexist, everything is racist, and you have to point it all out. --4th wave feminism.

Given the cost you've cited in particular, I think that's a fair point. I agree.

Why cant the asset be procured, financed through alternative means of state generated income, and then be operated at a lower price for consumers, thus benefiting society in general. The NHS doesnt make a profit and yet we seem to value that. Whether it's a priority or not is up for debate and i would agree that it probably isn't and is solely an ideological move. But arguing that it doesn't make sense because it wouldn't be profitable doesn't seem to scan for me. The government isn't, and shouldn't ever be, a business.

I think its probably because Watson is a child in a man's body.

Amazing stuff from the Tories, and that Kay Burley interview was brutal I notice the Lib Dems seem to think that Swinson herself is a key selling point for them. "Jo Swinson's Liberal Democrats"... fucking ouch. Corbyn could maybe pull that off since he has a cult of personality going, but Swinson is one of the most beige human beings I've ever come across. Maybe it'll appeal to the equally beige though.

Check the tactical voting thingy, vote that way. That's all any of us can do.

What do you think they have to gain by appearing soft on Labour? If she was making noises about left wing coalitions and so on, the Tories would immediately state that a vote for LD is a vote for Corbyn, and all the soft Tory voters would be scared off. As far as I'm concerned she can attack Corbyn as much as she wants. I don't think it will harm the left wing vote for him, the centrists who would vote for him won't be affected as they'll presumably vote for the strongest remain candidate in their region come what may, and it improves her chances with right wing remainers who would otherwise not be able to be part of a remain coalition. It's true that this will almost certainly result in a minority government for Labour if they do win, but that's a price I'm willing to pay, even if Swinson spends the next 5 years blocking everything Labour try to do except Brexit.

I don't particularly trust her either. I do think she's probably a soft Tory at heart. But I see no way she can go into coalition with them. All we need at this point is enough votes for a second referendum, the Labour project and everything else is just secondary.

It's just impossible that this could be the case. What do they do about Brexit in a coalition exactly? Ignoring the fact that, if they did this, they would once again spurn all of the gains they've made in voters by being a soft left option. I refuse to believe that the LDs are so myopic that they could be unaware that coalition with the Tories would utterly ruin them, a mere 5 years after the last time they tried it utterly ruined them. They're going for Tory voters. As they should be.

Nicely done! 40k likes. Might even have reassured a few people to vote the right way. In a single tweet you've been more constructive to the cause than the rest of us in the past few years The Fish would hate that