Rayvin

Amazing stuff from the Tories, and that Kay Burley interview was brutal I notice the Lib Dems seem to think that Swinson herself is a key selling point for them. "Jo Swinson's Liberal Democrats"... fucking ouch. Corbyn could maybe pull that off since he has a cult of personality going, but Swinson is one of the most beige human beings I've ever come across. Maybe it'll appeal to the equally beige though.

Check the tactical voting thingy, vote that way. That's all any of us can do.

What do you think they have to gain by appearing soft on Labour? If she was making noises about left wing coalitions and so on, the Tories would immediately state that a vote for LD is a vote for Corbyn, and all the soft Tory voters would be scared off. As far as I'm concerned she can attack Corbyn as much as she wants. I don't think it will harm the left wing vote for him, the centrists who would vote for him won't be affected as they'll presumably vote for the strongest remain candidate in their region come what may, and it improves her chances with right wing remainers who would otherwise not be able to be part of a remain coalition. It's true that this will almost certainly result in a minority government for Labour if they do win, but that's a price I'm willing to pay, even if Swinson spends the next 5 years blocking everything Labour try to do except Brexit.

I don't particularly trust her either. I do think she's probably a soft Tory at heart. But I see no way she can go into coalition with them. All we need at this point is enough votes for a second referendum, the Labour project and everything else is just secondary.

It's just impossible that this could be the case. What do they do about Brexit in a coalition exactly? Ignoring the fact that, if they did this, they would once again spurn all of the gains they've made in voters by being a soft left option. I refuse to believe that the LDs are so myopic that they could be unaware that coalition with the Tories would utterly ruin them, a mere 5 years after the last time they tried it utterly ruined them. They're going for Tory voters. As they should be.

Nicely done! 40k likes. Might even have reassured a few people to vote the right way. In a single tweet you've been more constructive to the cause than the rest of us in the past few years The Fish would hate that

Labour need to pipe the fuck down with their attacks on the Lib Dems. They're not going to swing anyone. The Lib Dems at least have some kind of need to seem anti-Labour since they're targeting Tories.

Fair enough. Can understand what you're saying then, my bad.

I genuinely do not believe that anyone could have legitimately seen it coming that after a couple of small interruption to his deal, Johnson would inexplicably shelve the whole thing and go for an election instead. It's a ludicrous strategy

I was frantic because the deal was going through. I'm consistent believe it or not - while the deal looked to be going through, off the back of Labour MPs, I thought the game was up. I couldn't see any way out. With an election it's all to play for.

I absolutely know what you mean, and if this doesn't go our way I'll be right there with you - but hang on just for this one. It's still possible that we could come away with total victory, as insane as that might sound.

May as well go in tails up, heads held high. We have everything to gain and nothing to lose.

Absolutely disgusting attitude. Should be denied service.

It is beyond scary that the margins are going to be that fine.

Indeed. The biggest threat all the way through this was that he'd actually get a deal through. Now that looks to be dead. I think from here it'll be close, but we can win it. If the Remain parties for once, finally, play this right. And frankly, I think Labour are on a good footing in not making this all about Brexit, and for having what looks to be a conciliatory stance on the matter.

I wish to draw attention to this cutting insight from the Daily Mail comment section so that we can get a flavour of the discourse on the other side - 2000 upvotes so far, 3rd most popular comment: I will be voting for THE BrEXIT PARTY no matter what. ..... In all my many years, I have never voted Conservative, and I refuse to start now. ..... Boris's deal is an EU written TREATY which is BRINO and not one bit is BrEXIT, so it is effectively Remain. ..... Labour and SNP are both Remain. ..... Swinson and her Lib-Dumbs are Revoke A50 and Remain. ..... This means THE BrEXIT PARTY is the only one worth voting for.

Of the 60 seats the LDs are targeting, 47 are Tory. It's clear which way the guns are facing from their side. I don't think 20 seats is too out there. And yes, the idea that the LDs are coming out as more right wing to appeal to Tory marginal voters is my view also. It makes perfect sense really.

This is good news and tbh does indeed swing me over to thinking that Farage doesn't care so much about getting Brexit as he does about getting attention.

Those dipshits weren't voting Labour anyway. More net good on this than net bad. In the eyes of swing voters, Trump is toxic.

Part of me thinks that the Lib Dems are taking right wing views in this because their primary target is disaffected Tories. If so, I'm happy for them to spout Thatcherite nonsense until the cows come home.

I'm never going to agree that this period was a cakewalk for Labour. No matter who was in charge they'd have the same issue - how to square their leavers with their Remainers. And I think the current policy is actually the most sound of any of the political parties. Boris isn't storming the polls because Corbyn is ineffectual, it's because he's propped up by Brexit diehards. And Labour have lost about 10-12% of their polling due to remain diehards. Reverse those two phenomena and Labour are probably a few points clear of the Tories outside of Brexit. No Labour leader would be able to reverse that. The only policy position that could do would be full blown remain, but that costs us the election even if Labour do slightly better for themselves.

Cults aside, what is it that they expect to do? The independent sees a remain coalition picking up 60 seats from the Tories. Labour just needs to hold on to heartlands and it'll be fine. I understood the political smarts of putting off this election but if they do it much longer they're going to end up reinforcing this idea that they're just running scared. I do not believe that they'll get a wipeout and am reasonably optimistic that they'll do better than the polls suggest. And if it does all go to hell, at least they'll be rid of Corbyn.

What kind of horror show is going on at Southampton that they've managed that result? They've come out of nowhere and stolen our thunder as the most abject club in the division.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-poll-boris-johnson-conservatives-brexit-lib-dems-labour-a9114826.html?fbclid=IwAR3QA-EmayT6e6rqq7iU4l6LFLLlAFI86PPgpYT2J_Ij3gAChtMFlSPTleI Remain looks well primed for tactical voting.

Do any of you ever wonder what it must be like to live in a country with reasonably functioning institutions and competent governance? Must be weird to actually have people serving the public good. Cant really imagine it tbh.