Rayvin

Missed this... actually kind of good

I thought a hung parliament was 6 or less...

Slightly less happy meaning more than 7 and less than 10.

19% of Labour is actually pretty decent assuming that those who are in a safe Labour seat just put down they'd vote first choice.

Is 36% of LDs and 19% of Labour enough?

I'm just hoping at this point that trust in the BBC has become so low that it doesn't stick. I think people know what they have to go out and do, can't imagine anyone is undecided now. That kid in Leeds hospital was a bigger blow than Ashworth despite the BBCs efforts. I still doubt it'll be enough but I'll draw some slender comfort if the majority at least chooses the none evil parties, even if they can't stop them in our system.

I'm gonna go with the Tories on an 8-10 point lead on Yougov and suspect that will hold up on election day. No one is going to change their minds because of that kid. Everyone voting Tory knows exactly what they're voting for and doesn't care because they're either cunts, or Brexit cultists.

Johnson* I don't think it will make any difference given that we've lost anyway.

If the BBC think that when Boris comes for them in a year or two, the educated and middle classes will rally around them, they've another thing coming.

I read a while ago that morale in the BBC offices was through the floor and tbh I'm not surprised with all the criticism flying around. I think its important to make one distinction in this in particular though. Your average BBC journalist is probably as ethical and upstanding as Gloom believes them to be. Where they're being let down is by those above them. Those who are presumably earning hundreds of thousands a year and actually stand to lose out under a fairer system...

Monbiot breaking an embargo to demonstrate that a collection of newspapers (but definitely not the "MSM") wrote a pack of lies about Labour wanting to introduce a tax on capital gains instead of the idea being reviewed and rejected. IPSO had agreed they all lied but seemed content to prevent the admission coming before the election, hence the embargo. So that's another conspiracy to misinform the public. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/10/break-embargo-expose-press-lies-labour?

That staged photo claim is just... I mean the telegraph has always been a Tory paper but it's interesting to see yet another journalist fail to carry about basic journalistic rigour and just run with utter crap. I'm wondering how much more of this there needs to be before people start admitting the media aren't able to function. It's just so depressing.

Corbyn is shite. The remain parties are shite. The media have been shite. The public are shite.

We lost 6-0 at home to Liverpool under Pardew, I reckon that was worse.

The guardian and independent are now actively trying to manage people's expectations into getting them ready to accept defeat. I suspect we've taken a hammering here tbh.

"Too late was the cry..."

That's depressing as fuck. I'm prepared to believe they haven't been paid tbh, some people really believe in that stuff. Doesn't make it any less dismal though. Can't believe you worked out my RTG alias though..

No one thinks you're doing any of this stuff but a great many of your colleagues clearly are. Curiously, many of the most prominent ones.

I would have too. Fucking hell, how is it possible that you can't simply get the police involved to retrieve the money.

Who is really moaning though... at the regime yes but at Bruce I think everyone has come around to concluding he's doing alright. In the end though, Bruce could win the fucking league this year and it still wouldnt resolve any of the underlying issues the club has.

It's not even surprising anymore. Grim encounter ffs. I don't know why you feel compelled to defend these charlatans gloom, they sure as shit aren't playing the same game you are.

Where do the idiots working for Nissan get their information from? The ability of populists to present lies without challenge is the reason we're here. That and the fact that we don't educate people properly.

Even if they don't gloss over it, as Renton said, the public just don't give a shit now. We're too polarised for trivialities like suffering children and obvious lying. Johnson could start executing people in the streets and he'd still not drop in the polls.

Agree with that. The problem with the hiring of Bruce was that it underlined that 17th was good enough. If the guy overachieves and gets us midtable then great for him, but that doesn't mean the club will kick on. Every season will be a relegation scrap that is easier or harder depending on how well he does, but it will never get beyond that point. So yes, there's nothing Bruce can do unless he can actually change the entire philosophy of the club.