Rayvin

The BBC will absolutely deserve it. It shouldn't happen, it would be a disaster for it to happen, but if it does they're just another turkey that voted for Christmas.

The voter base will collapse for Labour anyway, I would think. Why any young people would bother retaining an interest in politics after this, I don't know. I'll be voting SNP or Independance, myself. Whatever comes first.

Actually I just read that the pragmatic centrist option will exist after all. Farage will rebrand as the Reform Party, promising (right of) centre politics that appeals to ordinary people, changes he voting system and generally makes everything great. So there's always him.

The world is burning, I'm not sure centrism is going to be enough. On top of that, younger generations are seriously pissed off. Renting forever, retire at 75, no pension, probably no NHS, no freedom of movement, university debt. Is centrism going to fix all of that? Pandora's box is open. All centrism will do is find a compromise position between the far right and what used to be the actual centre. It won't be enough.

Jess Phillips doesn't have enough vision for it. Not sure who does in fairness but she's very much the kind of pragmatist that the centrists would get behind. So no help at all, judging by Swinson's performance. Yvette Cooper I have heard good things about and I think she's smart and capable. Not sure she's radical enough but maybe she could be...

It's not going to be McDonnell The man himself has said the next leader after Corbyn needs to be a woman, which effectively rules him out unless some very sudden developments take place.

And who will they vote for once Corbyn is gone? They aren't a hive mind whatever the media might have decided. I think there will be more left wing candidates and a broader split of votes.

I imagine there will be a membership vote. Hard to see any kind of cult forming around anyone else.

I genuinely think Corbyn will go of his own accord. He's too old for this now man, and was never all that interested in the position right from the start. He'll hang about for a bit so Labour can transition smoothly, and then he'll go.

Raynor possibly. I have a lot of respect for her achievements. Single mum, strong working class roots, fought from the bottom for where she had to get to. Will truly understand the challenges working class people face. Alternatively someone who has been low profile, younger and with a bit more fire. Before Corbyn came along, as a centrist option, I was going to support Yvette Cooper. She still has my respect also.

Long Bailey isn't the answer.

Yes it is indeed, for now. I feel like I'm going to be up all night on Thursday..

Looks to me like all the main Remain parties are finally talking about tactical voting. 4 days is leaving it fucking late but LDs have stopped campaigning in some seats, hopefully Labour will do the same in others. I assume we are going to consider a hung parliament a victory at this point.

Not sure that I think he should have lost the court case for something so trivial, but the whole matter did confirm to me that Musk is a thin-skinned fuckhead. In terms of the guy's brand, it's probably done enough damage to teach him a lesson.

He offered to stand down after the leadership debacle the year before. And Labour absolutely viewed 2017 as a victory more than a defeat. Even the Blairites backed off.

Corbyn will resign after this defeat. He never wanted this anyway. Not that there'll be anything left by 2024.

Think I've expressed regret for this in the past. I read his policies and voted for him based on those. Knew nothing of the man. It is indeed my fault, in part.

Tactical voting is trending at the moment - a lot of LDs and Greens seem ready to go Labour. Even a few SNP voters. All anecdotal but you never know...

They will. Their country depends on them. Time to stand up for Britain! They'll come out of the voting booth feeling like they've made the same personal sacrifice as someone who died at the Somme. The wankers.

Next Tory statement on this will be something about the public having had enough of civil servants/diplomats.

Honestly, maybe I'm wrong. It's just that circulation figures have more broadly held up for broadsheets than tabloids, right? I assume readership is more or less along class lines. Who knows, it's not a major point I guess.

I came across this interview earlier today on LBC - a guy who was born on a council estate recounting his story. He was the only one of his 7 peers who didn't end up trapped in that estate, and he managed to dig himself out of his situation by virtue of the £30 a week maintenance allowance that the Tories have now done away with. He has since gone on to be a productive member of society, tax paying and happy with his life. He believes it would be absolutely impossible for him to have managed that without the maintenance allowance. It's a really good interview, not even especially politically loaded. He considers it to be basically impossible now for someone in his position to achieve the same thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9IBpyqLKDA I don't know why it isn't embedding, but it's worth a watch.

I recognise the good natured humour in this Maybe I'm wrong and the working classes are digesting loads of youtube/online political content - it's absolutely possible. I just fancied they're probably still following it in the papers. Not that they're politically ignorant or thick, as such.

Amongst the educated I fully agree, but I'm not sure for the working classes... Hard to imagine them digesting political commentaries, even pro Brexit ones, on YouTube.

I think the media have learned from last time. Too many forces coming together against Labour. Corbyn doesn't help either but I'm certain that we've been stitched up in Tory friendly press rooms this time out. Same as last time really.