Rayvin

I'm not taking a side next time. Ive just had enough, its all pointless. I'll vote for Scottish independence if that comes along. I'm well into apathy now.

I voted him once and didn't the second time out. So it's not like I've done anything to "stick" with him, beyond continue to point out bullshit as and when needed. I've also criticised him plenty. But blame me if you want, if it helps.

It may well have materialised, just in the wrong places. That's getting us to a point where the system is a bigger issue than the parties. We'll see though, I'm curious to see what Labour's demographics are exactly, but it seems clear that the working class north let us down, not the young people. Also, this is why were fucked too. Momentum are not going to surrender the party: Meaning that we will have schism in the left, again. 10-15 years of the Tories.

I'm talking specifically about the young people. I agree that bland centrism is what the country is apparently desperate to lube itself up for, but i don't think Labour can just move over to the centre and clean up. The party will be torn apart here, and it'll be broadly young vs middle aged. That's my point. We're fucked.

Well you hang onto that optimism.

The US needs to learn from this though. The democrats need to put up the most painfully centrist and status quo candidate possible, and then utterly terrify everyone on the left into voting for them. They can use the UK as a case study. Because the same shit is going to happen there. Hope is not allowed, only fear.

What have centrists got in the bag as exciting as an overhaul of inequality, 4 day working weeks, and public spending to match European countries. They've got nothing man. The centrists backed austerity even within Labour. The young people have lost the EU and they've lost the dream. Labour are not coming back from this.

No. Whatever the Blairites may think, there's a generation of young people who joined and became motivated in no small part due to Corbyn and his vision. As much as Renton hates that word, those guys aren't coming back to vote for bland centrist policies. We're done for the next 10-15 years.

Night lads. Don't stay up too late with this shit.

Close to suggesting we take it by force quite frankly.

Scotland will go, anyone fearful should aim to shift up there. J69 is right, the Tories are going to close off the route to any future dissent. The union is over so it's the only safe bet.

I'm wondering if the votes might still overall favour Remain parties though. Impossible demographic split now though.

Wooooww... We got fucking obliterated.

Labour's internal polling based on canvassing predicts 36.2%. Which, given the high proportion of votes in city areas, means we're probably fucked.

Have decided Gloom is right on sterling, sadly. It's been going down all day, presumably in response to turnout. And now it's jumping in the last hour. That has to be a response to some new info and the only thing it can possibly be is a Tory majority.

Again, how does anyone know what the results are? Nobody knows unless the exit polls have started leaking info.

My bad, didn't check who he was. Nevermind.

Just to moderate people's expectations a bit... leave voters are still wrapped in blind devotion to Brexit, nothing has changed there.

Aye that's depressing as fuck MF. Would like to see any Tory voters justify their vote against it tbh. Amongst so many other things.

I actually went and checked. The bookies have no inside track, no relevant information, nothing to use to help them set bets for elections other than the betting trends themselves. Don't worry about what the bookies are saying.

UK news push alerts skew negative on Labour and positive for Tories https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/12/uk-news-push-alerts-negative-labour-positive-tories?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard There's no MSM. Clearly. If this made it in previously further back then my apologies, but i needed to get the MSM dig in. Sure you understand

It concerns me that these small bits of good news are coming from Tory insiders. I reckon they're just getting their vote out. And we'll end up mystefied that they have a 30 seat majority. I mean how would they know the Lib Dems vote has collapsed?

I hate the waiting, mostly because i keep looking at the guardian's comment section and hearing that there's a surprise on the cards which honestly, my brain doesn't believe but my heart wants to. I'm pretty sure it's just a bunch of people like us all echo chambering themselves into hope.