Rayvin

The guardian and independent are now actively trying to manage people's expectations into getting them ready to accept defeat. I suspect we've taken a hammering here tbh.

"Too late was the cry..."

That's depressing as fuck. I'm prepared to believe they haven't been paid tbh, some people really believe in that stuff. Doesn't make it any less dismal though. Can't believe you worked out my RTG alias though..

No one thinks you're doing any of this stuff but a great many of your colleagues clearly are. Curiously, many of the most prominent ones.

I would have too. Fucking hell, how is it possible that you can't simply get the police involved to retrieve the money.

Who is really moaning though... at the regime yes but at Bruce I think everyone has come around to concluding he's doing alright. In the end though, Bruce could win the fucking league this year and it still wouldnt resolve any of the underlying issues the club has.

It's not even surprising anymore. Grim encounter ffs. I don't know why you feel compelled to defend these charlatans gloom, they sure as shit aren't playing the same game you are.

Where do the idiots working for Nissan get their information from? The ability of populists to present lies without challenge is the reason we're here. That and the fact that we don't educate people properly.

Even if they don't gloss over it, as Renton said, the public just don't give a shit now. We're too polarised for trivialities like suffering children and obvious lying. Johnson could start executing people in the streets and he'd still not drop in the polls.

Agree with that. The problem with the hiring of Bruce was that it underlined that 17th was good enough. If the guy overachieves and gets us midtable then great for him, but that doesn't mean the club will kick on. Every season will be a relegation scrap that is easier or harder depending on how well he does, but it will never get beyond that point. So yes, there's nothing Bruce can do unless he can actually change the entire philosophy of the club.

The BBC will absolutely deserve it. It shouldn't happen, it would be a disaster for it to happen, but if it does they're just another turkey that voted for Christmas.

The voter base will collapse for Labour anyway, I would think. Why any young people would bother retaining an interest in politics after this, I don't know. I'll be voting SNP or Independance, myself. Whatever comes first.

Actually I just read that the pragmatic centrist option will exist after all. Farage will rebrand as the Reform Party, promising (right of) centre politics that appeals to ordinary people, changes he voting system and generally makes everything great. So there's always him.

The world is burning, I'm not sure centrism is going to be enough. On top of that, younger generations are seriously pissed off. Renting forever, retire at 75, no pension, probably no NHS, no freedom of movement, university debt. Is centrism going to fix all of that? Pandora's box is open. All centrism will do is find a compromise position between the far right and what used to be the actual centre. It won't be enough.

Jess Phillips doesn't have enough vision for it. Not sure who does in fairness but she's very much the kind of pragmatist that the centrists would get behind. So no help at all, judging by Swinson's performance. Yvette Cooper I have heard good things about and I think she's smart and capable. Not sure she's radical enough but maybe she could be...

It's not going to be McDonnell The man himself has said the next leader after Corbyn needs to be a woman, which effectively rules him out unless some very sudden developments take place.

And who will they vote for once Corbyn is gone? They aren't a hive mind whatever the media might have decided. I think there will be more left wing candidates and a broader split of votes.

I imagine there will be a membership vote. Hard to see any kind of cult forming around anyone else.

I genuinely think Corbyn will go of his own accord. He's too old for this now man, and was never all that interested in the position right from the start. He'll hang about for a bit so Labour can transition smoothly, and then he'll go.

Raynor possibly. I have a lot of respect for her achievements. Single mum, strong working class roots, fought from the bottom for where she had to get to. Will truly understand the challenges working class people face. Alternatively someone who has been low profile, younger and with a bit more fire. Before Corbyn came along, as a centrist option, I was going to support Yvette Cooper. She still has my respect also.

Long Bailey isn't the answer.

Yes it is indeed, for now. I feel like I'm going to be up all night on Thursday..

Looks to me like all the main Remain parties are finally talking about tactical voting. 4 days is leaving it fucking late but LDs have stopped campaigning in some seats, hopefully Labour will do the same in others. I assume we are going to consider a hung parliament a victory at this point.

Not sure that I think he should have lost the court case for something so trivial, but the whole matter did confirm to me that Musk is a thin-skinned fuckhead. In terms of the guy's brand, it's probably done enough damage to teach him a lesson.