Rayvin

Honestly i'd be surprised if that exit poll turns out to be right. 150 seats to declare and Labour are on 172. So it's assuming that they only get 19 from the remaining 150. It's possible I guess, idk what the constituencies are, but i think they'll break 200. Edit - Tories take back Kensington.

Remain now over 1m votes ahead. I don't think much of this has a lot to do with Corbyn.. we've been shafted by the system.

That Remain voting pattern is holding up. Unless a large Tory swell comes in here, we're going to see a huge Brexit majority delivered against an overall majority share of the popular vote for Remain. I don't see how anyone could have won this in a GE. The problem is that the issue everyone's arguing about wasn't originally agreed by FPTP constituency voting, it was done by an overall majority. And the campaign Remain has fought has been largely on the assumption that most people want back in. Which seems true but they're not in the right areas. Which has ultimately shafted Labour. That doesn't make Corbyn a good leader, and it doesn't mean a centrist Remainer leading Labour couldn't have pulled over a few Tories. But it would have been an uphill fight to a very probably similar outcome IMO.

Swinson gone. Boris safe.

Mm, Corbyn was inevitable after this. Sounds like there'll be a transitioned departure though. Which means Momentum are staying in control. I'm gonna add here that the combined vote tally of the SNP, Labour and LDs is 750k up on the Tories. Brexit Party cancelled out by Greens and Plaid. If that pattern continues then we should be loud about it come the end.

And Raab has held his seat. Because of course. Lib Dems have had a shocker too tbh.

They aren't alone tbf to them. Overall vote share so far, Remain parties still ahead. It's a meaningless and slim comfort, but I'll take it. Labour's vote share is decent so far, should go up when London gets involved properly too.

Tories starting to gain the stupid little towns in the northwest. That's where we've lost this it seems. And Wales.

That said, the guardian seems to think Farage's overall impact has helped Labour so maybe I'm wrong. If it has, then we're back to Corbyn being the main issue. I think. Although again, hell of a jump from Labour to Tory just for Corbyn. Plenty of less radical options.

Kind of missing the point there. No other Labour leader could have bridged that gap. That's why as I said earlier, the schism is opening up in Labour between leave and remain. If it was just about Corbyn, why are they voting Brexit Party? Why not LD, or Green? The only reason anyone votes Brexit Party is for Brexit. So any of those votes, no centrist Labour leader could have won. Not Blair, not anyone. Not without moving to a position that tears the remain wing out of Labour. On Brexit they were completely fucked it seems.

Also looks like Farage was right. He's hurt Labour far more than the Tories. Not really sure that one is Corbyn's fault tbh.

You know, looking at this, I'm not sure the North East is going to be hugely to blame here. We're mostly coming up Labour.

Right there with you, believe it or not.

Going to make a casual point from the guardian's comment section which I think is a good demonstration of why we're fucked. There are a roughly equal number of Labour leavers claiming Corbyn should have gone full Brexit, to Labour Remainers saying he should have gone full remain. That is a second schism. So you have the left vs centre one, and the Brexit vs Remain one. Some claiming that Labour's strong 2017 showing has been wasted by pandering to Remainers instead of eliminating Brexit as the one advantage the Tories had, and others claiming that by not going Remain he lost out to the LDs. My prediction is that Labour's actual vote tally won't be far off the Tories (certainly when combined with LDs who, thanks to tactical voting, we can assume to be the same cause). I further predict that the combined remain tally will exceed the Brexit tally, though I'm a bit less sure on it.

I'm not taking a side next time. Ive just had enough, its all pointless. I'll vote for Scottish independence if that comes along. I'm well into apathy now.

I voted him once and didn't the second time out. So it's not like I've done anything to "stick" with him, beyond continue to point out bullshit as and when needed. I've also criticised him plenty. But blame me if you want, if it helps.

It may well have materialised, just in the wrong places. That's getting us to a point where the system is a bigger issue than the parties. We'll see though, I'm curious to see what Labour's demographics are exactly, but it seems clear that the working class north let us down, not the young people. Also, this is why were fucked too. Momentum are not going to surrender the party: Meaning that we will have schism in the left, again. 10-15 years of the Tories.

I'm talking specifically about the young people. I agree that bland centrism is what the country is apparently desperate to lube itself up for, but i don't think Labour can just move over to the centre and clean up. The party will be torn apart here, and it'll be broadly young vs middle aged. That's my point. We're fucked.

Well you hang onto that optimism.

The US needs to learn from this though. The democrats need to put up the most painfully centrist and status quo candidate possible, and then utterly terrify everyone on the left into voting for them. They can use the UK as a case study. Because the same shit is going to happen there. Hope is not allowed, only fear.

What have centrists got in the bag as exciting as an overhaul of inequality, 4 day working weeks, and public spending to match European countries. They've got nothing man. The centrists backed austerity even within Labour. The young people have lost the EU and they've lost the dream. Labour are not coming back from this.

No. Whatever the Blairites may think, there's a generation of young people who joined and became motivated in no small part due to Corbyn and his vision. As much as Renton hates that word, those guys aren't coming back to vote for bland centrist policies. We're done for the next 10-15 years.

Night lads. Don't stay up too late with this shit.

Close to suggesting we take it by force quite frankly.

Scotland will go, anyone fearful should aim to shift up there. J69 is right, the Tories are going to close off the route to any future dissent. The union is over so it's the only safe bet.