Rayvin

This is fucking well said tbf.

I'm sorry like but that's utter fucking tripe from Glendenning. Working for a business owned by Saudis and therefore being paid by them is entirely comparable to supporting a club owned by them. No one who gets paid by the Saudis is in any "moral" position to say shit to us. Fucking losers man. No one who votes for any government that sells weapons to the Saudis is in any moral position to say shit to us either, so there goes half the country. I vaguely suspect new Labour might have done it too in which case that's the other half of the country also.

Just read this myself. Has made me feel bad a bit, but mostly because of the resignation of the author to the fact that the game is up and the sport is fucked. And yes, it is. But if it's going to happen it may as well be us - and if it's going to be us, I may as well enjoy it.

He just wants us to fail.

How is Rafa getting on in China anyway?

If it is, you can guarantee that Sunderland will find the guy.

They'll get bought eventually but it's never going to be like this. I'm still unsure if this is going to really happen, but it is probably the last gig in town in terms of sovereign wealth funds buying up football clubs. They'll get bought out by some low rent Ashley figure and I doubt they'll even really be able to enjoy it after all the attention this creates. If it goes through, the press will be all over it - especially given the dearth of anything else to write about - and then we're going to be back to the complaints about the "magedia" and how unfair everything is. Maybe the Reubens are the front men for the mysterious cabal of tyneside businessmen. It'll be interesting to see a re-run of the old classics.

He was outed as a "mag" when I was over there. I think he's one of ours tbh. Not sure what he's doing though.

Nice, that's filled me with a bit of optimism indeed.

It'll be interesting to see what strategy they could take on that front. They'll have massive goodwill amongst the fans anyway, simply by virtue of having saved us from Ashley - they wouldn't need to pull out all the stops with Keegan and Rafa coming back (would those two even work together?) One or the other maybe. Not sure Shearer would leave what he's doing either, but who knows.

RTG is trying to convince itself that if this happens, the rivalry doesnt exist anymore. It changes everything, we're not the same club, so all the shoeings they get from us going forward won't count and history stopped The fear is palpable.

That's fair enough, would indeed make sense.

And they are definitely substantially involved? Why do they need the Reubens?

Do we actually know that this is a Man City moment? I don't think we're that lucky. I mean I'm fine with us just losing Ashley, that's enough for me, but if the signs are there that it's more than that, it's going to be pretty special.

I find myself rather indifferent to the Saudi money issue. I suspect all of our political leaders would behave the same if given the chance anyway. Happy to just see the back of Ashley. I'd just about take Satan at this point.

Is this actually happening? Where's @247? He shoots it down every time it comes up.

Absolutely right. Although I'm worried for Starmer on that front too.

I did leave the party in January 2019 as a protest over Brexit - I sent a long, pointless email that no one ever replied to, explaining my reasons. Then I rejoined when they came up with a Brexit plan that made sense to me. Happy?

Consider me defeated, I guess.

It's going to achieve nothing whatsoever. I just can't do it anymore though.

I decided to wait until the leadership election and tbh I've just not really through about it in recent weeks - I had basically committed to it so this additional claim is meaningless I guess, but if I hadn't already decided to this would have broken me all over again. I'm now convinced that Corbyn was willfully ignoring this chaos for factional reasons. I'm also convinced that we never stood a chance while this was going on. I've just seen a transcript of senior party officials lamenting that we won Kensington in 2017. What's the point anymore man. It's two political parties trying to pretend they're just one.

Having said that, if some of the things the pro-Corbynites have claimed are true then honestly both sides are about as bad as each other. They've been fucking feuding while the Tories have been destroying the country. This stuff about Emilie Oldknow asking Tom Watson to delay the expulsion of Livingstone to embarass Corbyn.. fucking why? Fuck it, I'm resigning membership too. Complete waste of space of a party. Worthless.

Ok so based on that it would seem that the clarified position is that the report is worthless because rather than confront any of the underlying issues, all it does is blame anti-Corbyn factions. I had wrongly believed that the report had been written impartially somehow, but if we are instead saying that the pro-Corbynites wrote it to attack the anti-Corbynites then firstly I'm not actually surprised based on what I've seen of them in my own discussions, and secondly they're just wasting everyone's time and refusing to take this seriously. They're not in power now so I had hoped the party would be able to draw a line under it but his final tweet says that Labour has been institutionally antisemitic even before Corbyn, which doesn't give me any hope that much will change. I'm close to thinking the party should disband. This feuding is going to drag on and on, and will only fuck us over next time as well. The Corbynite zealots are as blind as the Brexiteers. Utterly hopeless. They're not even principled, just another group obsessed with winning the argument..

100% this is where I am.

They seem pretty left wing though. An example of what I was saying a few days ago, Biden is never going to appeal to them and we shouldn't expect them to vote for him any more than we expect LDs and Greens to vote Labour. But does it matter in the end? These guys presumably never voted for Obama either.