Rayvin

In all seriousness I probably have to give that some actual consideration. And I guess maybe conclude that it just won't work out. I'm not sure yet anyway. I'll complain profusely if i have to, dont worry.

I'm in a couple of Labour Member supporter groups on facebook, a few thousand people in each. Not totally representative of course but honestly, no one is talking about Nandy. It's all the Corbyn cultists calling for RLB and Burgon, or the moderates demanding and defending Starmer. She's going to have to really do something to capture people's imagination to break through this.

I kind of admire that you haven't given up on everything just being one long waterfall of shite for the rest of our lives, but does any of this matter anymore? They won, they won completely, and there's nothing that gives any real indication that anything will change in terms of the demographics of stupidity. We won't win either way. In the long haul, the Tory strategy is probably right - fear is stronger than hope.

More of that and she might win my vote.

I'm with Renton on this. I don't think we can rely on people who have been avoiding rational thought for the past few years, to suddenly embrace it. It'll be like a frog boiling alive, they won't see the damage because it'll go slowly enough. More importantly, they will resist admitting they were wrong until their dying breaths.

Just thinking this over, I'm going to have to marry my current girlfriend if i want that relationship to go anywhere. I oppose marriage as an institution, but I guess my principles have to take a back seat. Or I move myself to Ireland and try to make a life work there..? This is such a mess.

Well that's great. How long is it going to take us to unpick the damage from this ffs. How many years is my vote going to be wasted as it goes towards any party that seeks to restore FOM? The Tories really are trying to deliver for their voters though. They've recognised the xenophobia angle and have gone in on it hard.

Holy hell that was painful. But I think we can all agree that johnsonnstands resolutely behind everything that advisor stood for. Why else would he send out a peon with the specific instruction to neither confirm or deny?

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/feb/17/trumps-chief-of-staff-to-meet-cummings-for-huawei-5g-talks Cummings will be negotiating for our country over the Huawei problem with respect of the US.

I mean, that's not exactly ok - the guy going up to him and complaining at him. It's not like they've gone out of their way to lose that game. Not surprised he's reacted badly tbh.

As an aside, I'm sick to death of following a club that I half want to be relegated for its own good.

Still think going down and staying down might be our only way out from under Ashley in the end. As a result I've had mixed feelings about Bruce's results this season. Can't deny it's enjoyable to win, but at the same time if we don't go down we're just putting off Ashley leaving for another season (assuming I'm right, which I may very well not be).

I think we'll hold them fairly well and lose only 1 or 2-0. If we get anything at all, it'll be a 0-0.

If that's the case, surely Sanders can best him then? I'm not trying to challenge here per se, what you're saying sounds encouraging and we really do need Trump gone no matter what.

Yeah I think he's undefeatable indeed. Reality doesn't matter anymore, only that your side wins. And that poll a few days ago demonstrates that Americans are better off now than they ever have been or whatever it was. The democrats will ruin it for themselves because Bernie will take off, the centrists will panic and try to destroy him thus pissing off all the left wingers who would vote for him to the point where they just chuck it in and don't bother - so your centrist has to beat trump with the centrist vote alone as the left concludes they're two sides of the same coin and that it has to win the war in the democrat party before it takes on the war for the nation. Trump wins by being more right wing than the centrist, who desperately has to backpedal to try and win those disillusioned left wingers over, probably by talking about how horrifying trump is. It won't matter though because they'll have had to demonstrate unremitting cuntery to take out Sanders, the left wont budge, and ultimately it'll all end in tears.

That got an actual belly laugh from me, thanks for that

Might just take them some time. There are a considerable number of members. Also possible that they've assumed that since you're in NI, you'll go for Keir no matter what due to his FOM stance.

Me too - replied and was then asked if I wanted to man phone lines. Yeah, not that committed to this thanks.

It'll be interesting to see how the centrists try to destroy him over the next few months. I do kinda feel like they will have watched how our lot did it to Corbyn and then roll out the same kinds of approaches. I still believe it doesn't matter whatever happens. In fact they may as well let him have this one. No one they've got is going to unseat Trump.

I mean, frankly, yes.

She sounds hugely unstable. She attacked her boyfriend with a lamp to the head while he was sleeping and it sounds like she may have tried to glass him as well. And then the subsequent court nonsense and media scrutiny has apparently been too much for her. He seems to have kind of stuck by her, weirdly. I don't really understand people but it sounds like she needed help and didn't get it. RIP.

I am not as sure as you are...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/15/bernie-sanders-democratic-centrists-alarm “You’re going to absolutely see significant money behind centrists, moderates, whatever, to defeat Sanders,” said Democratic strategist Andrew Feldman. “Bernie is absolutely going to see intensified scrutiny. He was never in this position of the frontrunner in the 2016 race, and you’re going to see things from a long career come out that people are gonna go after.” They're going to Corbyn him. So long Bernie... you'll be a terrorist sympathising antisemite before the year is out.

https://observer.com/2012/04/mayor-bloomberg-says-living-wage-bill-reminds-him-of-communist-russia/ Tbf to him though (and I concede I missed this first time around), this appears to have been said in 2012. So it's been dredged up now by the progressive wing to throw at him from a voting perspective. It's all over their channels. So it's not really super relevant unless he still holds those views.

On a separate point, everyone's favourite moderate Michael Bloomberg has equated the payment of a $10/hr minimum wage, applicable only in NYC, and only to companies who receive certain levels of government support - with communism. God help America, seriously. Some of these democrats really are to the right of the Tories. Not just through pragmatism, but in principle.