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ASM clearly decided in extra time there, that the only person who was going to win this game for us was him. Wasn't interested in passing, especially after the Atsu fiasco - knew he couldn't rely on his teammates to deliver anything, so made it happen himself. Credit to him. As a football club, as much as I'm pleased we won, that we managed to get ourselves into a situation like that is laughable.

There isn't an answer for Labour this time out. As I've said many times, there was no conceivable victory for Labour no matter who was in charge. And while Brexit looms large, we're still going to be shafted irrespective of who is in charge. Starmer is the best bet for me for the same reason that Corbyn was. If we're going to lose anyway, I'd prefer to die on my feet than on my knees. And he supports freedom of movement, so he gets my vote.

I think they're probably serious about it. It's realistically the only thing they've got going for them at this point and broadly speaking, fits the wider trends taking place elsewhere. Maybe they can be given pause if Trump can be deposed. We might have to hang all of our hopes on the US elections at this point.

The Tories now moving away from globalism and towards isolationism (Trump style).

The tweet replies to that post show why were fucked IMO. No one cares about truths or facts anymore - each individual comes up with their own bullshit about why something has happened, in this case exonerating Johnson, irrespective of how insane their point is. I don't know what we're supposed to do about these people, seriously. I really struggle to have any respect for people who lie to themselves and then poison the well for everyone else.

Yep. 100%. But because that looks like we're being "soft", people don't go for it. What's needed instead is to lock them up forever, or better yet, have them shot. It's this basic inability to properly appraise facts and reality that leaves us so exposed in so many areas.

Thinking about that Man Utd link through - I don't know exactly what they'd cost but I'd imagine it would be well over £1bn considering all the 'commercials' at which they excel. And they're currently a top half team struggling to get into Europe, with a squad full of overpaid superstars who can't play well together. Turning that ship around is going to cost another considerable outlay. Turning it around to the point of challenging for the title, we're talking probably another billion. Frankly, the difference in spend between what it would take to turn us into title winners, compared to Man United, IMO, is not hugely pronounced. It's certainly less than whatever the difference in sale price between the two clubs would be. I don't think they'll be looking at Man United as an option over and above us unless money really is no concern at all - if money is a concern, we're the far better choice.

I always find statements like this to be kind of amusing. It's certainly possible, I grant you, that the Saudi Arabians are looking at buying two football clubs whose valuations are miles apart. But I wouldn't say it's likely. It would cost them something like £2bn to take Man United. And yet they're considering that over a £350m deal for a separate club in the same league. Yeah it's possible, but it's kind of like being torn between buying a Ferrari and a Corsa. It doesn't really make any sense.

Lengthy relegation is indeed the most likely way to get this over with. Depressingly. I'd prefer it to 5 more years in the lower reaches of the PL though, with Ashley in charge.

I've generally not had a dog in this fight but I've not been while Ashley has been here save for one game a couple of years back as a special occasion. In the end, yes Ashley doesn't need the fans to make the club tick over. That's true. But it's not a good look for his brand if we stay away. And I do tend to believe that if ALL the fans stayed away for even just 3 or 4 games, the whole regime would fall apart. It would probably make world news ffs, such a stunning statement it would be. I mean at some point Ashley has to accept that the purpose of the football club is to entertain. If the stadium has more away fans than home fans, it's hardly living up to that. Players would find it challenging, many wouldn't join us. Sustained effort would see us relegated. He gives away free tickets because he knows this. Also because it creates divides between the fans, picket line style. As Tom says, divide and conquer. Personally, I believe we should be working to jettison that fat bastard no matter what it takes, no matter who laughs at us for staying away, or accuses us of not being proper fans, or if we get relegated past fucking Sunderland. This club is bigger than that petty bullshit, and Ashley has been choking it to death for a decade.

Fair enough. I guess Klopp did a good job with him then.

I'm curious I guess - Don't pay a lot of attention to other club's games. What is it that Henderson does so well? I always think of him as a water carrier.

This guy was an anti-nazi and political commentator. Truly apt critique.

I would fully and completely understand that tbh.

Small minded, useless nation.

I'm thoroughly miserable about tonight's farce, and am drinking myself through it. Rather than a celebration, a wake. Fuck the Tories. Fuck the Gammons. Fuck little England.

Do you mean that you spoke with someone, presumably with an awareness of or contacts in Saudi Arabia, who indicated that the circumstances around the potential for this locally do indeed exist? i.e. it's plausible in theory? Or do you mean that someone has actually mentioned something which indicates that the deal is at a far more advanced stage than we had previously been aware of? i.e. it's plausible in reality?

Starmer has confirmed he will commit to backing freedom of movement if he becomes leader, whether that means fighting to preserve it now, or seeking to reintroduce it later. On that basis, he has my vote for the entire duration of his time as leader.

If we're saying that Bruce won't know about the takeover until 2 days after it's happened, I think it's safe to say that Charnley will still be turning up to work several months into the new regime. Charnley is a nothing, a nobody. He'll be reading the newspapers like the rest of us. EDIT - which doesn't of course mean that I think it's going to happen anyway tbf

I don't think they would give Bruce accurate information on either of those things. But I imagine the second statement is probably true nonetheless.

Hard left and hard right are both antiglobalists so it makes sense, and Corbyn can just fuck off. I've had enough of all of them now.

Aye. What they're saying is landing now too. We're in a brave new world of anti-woke sentiment and it's largely because the doors were opened by people like Hopkins. As much as I've harped on about SJWs over the years for their own part in making this happen (IMO at least, by taking up increasingly ridiculous positions), at least they're actually wanting a better world. These fuckers actively want a worse one. I'm not really sure where it all goes from here but the culture war has consumed everything. Probably, we need to start actually fighting it.

It does rather feel like the list started with "G" and ended with "iroud"

I hope the EU uses this opportunity wisely. They should federalise while we're gone.