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the island Got a bit of a slating from some people but I thought it was great. As much as I liked Scarlett Johansson before she is absolutely beautiful in this film, its worth watching just for her and before anyone asks no she doesnt get em out.

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oh its so much more

Just the manager we need if you ask me. I'm assuming he'd change his tactics with better palyers but its behind the scenes were he'd be the most benefit. How many players have seen that are supposedly finished go to Bolton and come good again? Speed, Djorkaeff, Campo... all down to Allardyce, his backroom staff and their preparation. Its obviously one of the places where we're most lacking

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yes but The 2nd Coming was mid 90's so doesn't really count 33087[/snapback] and seeing as they released their debut in 89 you can hardly call it 80's music even though, before anyone jumps in, it was released in the 80's. They really exploded 90 /91 anyway and rereleased the singles from 89. When I think of the Stone Roses, Happy Mondays, Charlatans I think the beginning of the 90's. It all ties in with me leaving school and getting fked up ..happy days

that ref is a tosser though. It was only one act of petulance too. It would have made more sense for the ref to go over and say "Listen son...". If he does it again then send him off. thick as pigshit footballers acting like kids is one thing but the refs should be above that

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back to the matter at hand No Robson got a few more seasons out of him by setting up the team to play to his strengths and compensate for his weaknesses. He's (naturally) degenerated since then and even if Souness where to employ the same tactics and get the same players Shearer wouldnt be able to do what he did 3 years ago.

who did you get? dont be all secretive man

got a piece of Pieterson early yesterday morning which has helped me get back into the black and recover my Button losses.

Billingham. It's great. And "old ginger bollocks"? Tit. 32106[/snapback] Aye thats where my Dad works, one of the north's beauty spots 32110[/snapback] Shithole mate. Absolute shithole. 32120[/snapback] but..its got.. its got the forum what on earth is there in Billingham for a high flying financial wizard?

spot on

Its OK alex Im a balding 31 year old too.... you are not alone

he's got the haircut

I'd agree with you. Ive been listening to a lot of his spoken word stuff lately. A lot of it was done around the time of the first Bush and its scary how relevant a lot of it is.

Rollins isnt a good example though. He's hardly indicative of what hardcore was about. He started playing more metal music got some success, marketed himself well and then even started to appear in films. Compare him to Mackaye, who started around the same time. I think they are good friends too. The term hardcore covers a fairly broad range even if they music itslef might sound similar. You cant compare the ethos of Mackaye to those of Green Day for example. Now I'd agree Green Day probably did set out to do all those things you mentioned but to me Ian Mackaye is an example of what hardcore was about not Rollins and not Green Day. Mackaye believes in what he is doing and doesnt do it to make money. Straight edge is even more driven and close minded. Kids grow up and change and do things differently and dont believe in the same things they do when they are 15 or 16. It doesnt change that when they set out the last thing on their mind was to make money or be famous or fuck the girl. Its almost unique in that its a musical style with a purpose, with a singular constant message. I dont agree with it but I enjoyed the music because of it. I suppose you could argue that for a lot of them its just joining the club, sing the songs have the X on your hand etc.. I'd agree with that but never to be famous or to make cash.

I dont judge anyone. Im not straight edge either, never have been. hardcore is hardly commercial, its the least commercial music possibly out there. Not on a global scale, its not on any scale. I dont believe any of the bands set out to make money, theres thousands of things to do that would get you more if that was your aim. 99.99% of the big hardcore bands at their height probably played shows to at the most a couple of hundred people. Add all that money up and deduct the costs and split it between two bands of five doesnt leave you with much each. How much does it cost to record a single and press a couple of hundred copies? How much do you make on that and split it between 5 again not much. Its not something you'd do to make money. Ive been to gigs with about 20 other people watching three bands. How much money did those kids make out of that? They'd make more working at McDonalds. So why did they do it? Ian Mackaye owns his own record label, Dischord. He was in Minor threat and now Fugazi. Fugazi could be huge but he doesnt play the game. They rarley do interviews, dont make videos etc. All dischord releases have on the cover "do not pay more than $9.99 for this release", he limits the size of venues that they play and the price of the tickets. Now sure he makes money, he's got to eat , clothe himself etc he cant do it for free, but if he wanted he could earn a lot more, if that was his aim why doesnt he? If theres one person making music who's least deserving of being called commercial its him, its really funny you think so. Like you said The Hard Ons wanted to make a living but I bet they just started out because they enjoyed making music and being in a band. Making a living is one thing but its hardly commercial exploitation. The example of the Hard ons is a stange one too. They're one of those jokey hardcore bands like the decendants to me which again is almost a sub genre. The straight edge bands ( Minor Threat was never a straight edge band by the way, the scene didnt exist at the time) were more passionate, focused on what they were doing, what they were trying to put across, they had a purpose and a message. Agree with it or not, I didnt, but thats they way it was and is, and like I said before a lot of them grew out of it and started doing the stuff they preached against. Doesnt change the fact they did all of it for a reason and that reason wasnt cash. Kids dont start hardcore bands to be famous, or make money...Its just not going to happen. For the lucky (?) ones it may come but its highly unlikely. Straight edge is even more niche. A smaller, more stubborn following and even less chance to make money. Your tag of commercial exploitation just doesnt stand up.

I theres anything less desering than being tagged 'commercial' its minor threat and hardcore. Theres no fking money in it for a start. Does anyone else limit the price of their records and shows like Ian Mackaye? For those that followed I cant see it being anything but positive for them, but the essence of it and hardcore was kids making music, putting on shows and singing about stuff they believed in, it possibly the least commercial music there is. Rollins hasnt evolved into anything. He's always had those same personal beliefs. He doesnt put poison into his body. So he doesnt do drugs or drink, doesnt make him straight edge or even part of the scene, he never has been. Its just a sub genre of hardcore, the only difference being the message. You dont have to adhere to some doctrine to like the music, if you like hardcore you'll like straight edge theres no differnece

I haven't listened to any of them either. So who has?? Own up. Oasis indeed and Hounds of Love topping the chart..tskkk

rap is indeed crap. Hip hop on the other hand.. Jimbo theres still good stuff around but you've got to dig for it. Its all Puffy's fault imo. The decline started with all the versace shit that they used to come out with, with their big production videos. It was all just bollocks. The Notorious Big should have stuck to being Biggie Smalls and not help the little fuckwit make millions. Jay-z is held as being the most talented when to me he sounds rubbish , he doesnt come close to the likes of Rakim, CL Smooth and Kool G Rap. Hip Hop is what it was. Rap is now the bollocks you see topping the charts, the one thats so imaginative it now samples a whole song.

as the guardian obo coverage so eloquently puts "Its squeaky bum time for England"

the greatest trilogy.. even if 3 was a bit crap. Part 2 edges out the first for me though, its my favourite film of all time "I don't feel I have to wipe everybody out, Tom. Just my enemies" "I know it was you Fredo. You broke my heart. You broke my heart!"

any tips then Gemmill seeing as Im doing shit. I bought shares in Button figuring the grand prix was on today and yet he's plummeted.

time for a boycottesque effort this afternoon I reckon