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How convenient, well I didnt. Whether this country faces terrorist attacks, from muslim, irish, basque, gay, whatever terrorist groups it doesnt matter, the 'threat' is the same. Who knows if the IRA is gone forever. Doesnt really matter, we've faced terrorism in some form for decades, if not forever. Im sure we always will Why? Because the Mail and the Sun say so? As has been pointed out of theres no evidence to say that any terrorists enter this country illegally. The facts actually point to a completely different conclusion. Continue to ignore it if you like. As a proportion of immigrants how many of middle eastern descent are there? How do you measure 'affinity with the UK'? Again its tabloid spin on a serious issue which doesnt actually reflect the facts. How is it happening now? What is happening is a growing group of UK citizens that feel completely disenfranchised and angry. Why is that? What can we do to tackle that? Its got bugger all to do with immigration. So the terrorists already live here but they have no affinity to the UK but still want to live here, and the best way to do that is to become terrorists? Jesus! How many times do I have to point out how much crap this is. People with terrorist intentions arent slipping into the country illegally! How many times? Theres no evidence to suggest this other than tabloid rambling. It doesnt matter what the motive is the 'threat' is the same. The way the security forces have to tackle it is the same. How many immigrants sympathised with 7/7 bombers and how many condemned them? Ridiculous question with no answer isnt it. You cant detain someone on the premise that the have to prove their innocence. Prove to me you arent a terrorist Leazes. Theres been a lot on TV about the magna carta recently and how the one of the greatest gifts this country gave the world was the rule of law. Yet you want to change that. Maybe its you that doesnt have affintiy with the UK. Its got nothing to do witht he rights of an individual but the rights of all. The law doesnt need to be changed because we arent under any more significant danger of terrorist attack than we were 10 , 20, 30 years ago. It doesnt matter how much funding or what laws you change because bar keeping every single person in this country under survaillence there is nothing you can do. The terrorists have a different faith, different colur skin, different motives but their methods and purpose remain exactly the same. Again if you want to compare it to the past then the threat of a terrorist attack is much less than it was in the 70's and 80's. Its not a case of one group slipping through the net. How many terrorist attacks have been thwarted compared to how many have been successful? Its the exception rather than the rule that terrorists are stopped purely because of the nature of terrorism. You cant fight an enemy you dont know. I dont think Rentons wording was the best but he's exactly right. When he says 'we' he means the genreal public not the security forces. We didnt and shouldnt nescessarilly wait for it to happen (conciously anyway) but we get on with our lives and dont let it affect us. Thats exactly the attitude that was championed as being 'typically British' after 7/7.

I think you might enjoy 'wet' and 'pants'

I feel left out. Best someone send me a PM then

Obviously. I find it hard to believe there wasnt any intelligence after all they were all muslim, most asian and a couple *gulp* black new recruits into what? they werent part of any terrorist organisation, as far as I know they didnt attend any training camps in Afghanistan . Course its difficult. Most are completely unknown, not some! The perpetrator of the second most famous terrorist act in the US was white and American to boot. The FBI had no chance of sussing that one

the terrorist threat to the UK hasnt grew in the last decade at all its decreased, massively, thanks to the NI peace agreement and the IRA ceasefire (although this was in 94 so strictly speaking 12 years). Now if you were to say we have a lot more immigrants of muslim faith, middle eastern origin than ten years ago you'd probably be right but this is a different issue from terrorism. I think that statement says it all tbh. Muslim terrorist threat is different because they want gain a foothold on life in the UK? Do they? Is that Al Quaedas aim? Hamas's? Dont think so. Its exactly the same threat (kill innocent people and cause terror to achieve a goal) and if anything less of one than the IRA. Mainly due to proximity and support. Do you not think that someone who has went to all the trouble of entering this country illegally with the aim of living here the last thing they want to do is draw attention to themselves by being a terrorist! They could end up dead for one which would be a pretty shitty end to the hope of getting a foothold on life in the UK. Again you're mixing up immigration with terrorism. Two seperate issues. Think about it. How many terrorist acts have been commited by someone entering a country illegally? Dont know the answer? Neither do I but an informed guess would be hardly any, none. The 9/11 bombers didnt enter America illegally. The 7/7 bombers didnt enter the UK illegally. Any other famous terrorist act, I'd be willing they all entered that country legally through immigration control. If we have cells present in the UK or other European countries there'll be organised, funded, trained and on the surface there legally. Afterall the last thing they want is to draw attention to themselves until they're ready to draw attention to themsleves. Whether they're active or not. They wont be desperately attempting to get into the UK by hiding in a truck. The security forces are fucked. Like I previously said we've got to depend on intelligence but realistically unless a potential terrorist fucks up there not a lot they can do. Theres nothing they can do to stop someone with no prior walking up to a restaurant and chucking in a grenade. Not all terrorists are so expert, Carlos the Jackal was inept but he managed to take part in terrorist act after terrorist act all the time gaining entry to countries legally with false paperwork. He was the most famous terrorist in the world for over 20 years and it took that long to catch him. If someone is suspected of being a terrorist they will be held and questioned and no doubt placed under surveillance, if allowed into the country at all. Like I said previously, the problem for the most part is we dont know who these people are. They dont wear a uniform, and for want of a better word the more professional wont draw attention to themselves. The less professional such as the 7/7 bombers are complete unknowns. That pretty much is the situation now Leazes they are held until they are proven one way or another. Theres a time limit on it though and rightly so. You cant just keep somoen indefinitely until you find proof of their guilt. If theres no proof there you arent going to find it. The US has the tightest immigration control in the world but it doesnt stop them being flooded by illegals and it didnt stop 9/11. Immigration has nothing to do with the potential terrorist threat this country faces.

probably really old but you never know http://a.oneofthelads.com/carwash.php die's canny funny oh and just like catmag they dont like the c word!

something like dir /s /w /ad > myfolders.txt it wont quite be in the format you want but then its easy enough to import it into excel, fiddle with it and save it as you want

piece of piss in Unix Im sure theres an equivalent command in dos and then output the listing to a text file rather than the screen.

Aye, but at least this is a new joke! Yours had cobwebs on it! 145911[/snapback] aye its that new Im sure the last time I heard it was Gazza instead of Beckham

Against my better judgement Im going to actually try and chip in. No doubt most of it will be misunderstood and I'll be labelled a wishy washy leftie whatever. Theres very little we can do against terrorism. There very little anyone has ever been able to do. Its not new, the threat didnt suddenly arise because of some pissed off Muslims. Surely you can see how ridiculous you'e being when you say things were better twenty, thirty years ago when the IRA campaign was at its height!! Different issue from terrorism. Immigration and terrorism arent connected, no matter what the Sun and the Mail might say. As has already been pointed the July 7th bombings were by UK citizens. Your suggestion for deportation wouldnt have solved that would it? It wouldnt have stopped the IRA. All you can do is remain vigilent and depend on intelligence . If a terrorist is good at what he does theres not an awful lot you can do. By the time you know about it its too late. Carlos the Jackal was actually a rubbish terrorist but how long did it take to stop him? Twenty years? The Russians and the Israelis have taken as strong an approach to it as you can but they still havent stopped it. How long have ETA been going? Since the 50's? Spain havent managed to solve that one in 50 years. The thing is with terrorists, unless they make a msitake, you dont really know they are one until its too late. We cant hunt down terrorists and deport them or lock them up because we dont know who they are. If we tighten our immigration it doesnt mean a terrorist couldnt come into the country under the cover of being on holiday or they might be citizens of another EU country. The most powerful nation in the world has been after the most famous terrorist in the world for years and they cant find him! To tackle terrorism your way you'd have to completely close borders, ban travel and place every civilain under surveillance. Place all Arabs and Muslims under suspicion? But some of the july 7th bombers were of Afro/Carribean origin. Suspecting everyone who was Irish in the 70's and 80's didnt stop the IRA and their American members slipped completely through the net. Like it or not terrorists dont stop until they either get what they want or the reason for wanting it is removed. This has bugger all to do with appeasement and everything to do with reality.

notice Boumsongs name is missing

I think he means me. I mentioned he freely throws insults about and then decides to get on his high horse whenever it comes back. He's still doing it too

Why doesn't Israel use their nukes Alex.....whereas other countries in that area will when they get them ? Simple question, I hope you can find a book with the answer As GF says....we are still waiting for you clever guys to come up with a solution, because you don't REALLY think they will negotiate without major concessions...leading to more demands for more concessions... 145071[/snapback] Daft hypothetical question. But I'll answer if you can tell me how you know they'll do that then? Given the other countries you mention would be effectively ensuring their own destruction if they did so. 145072[/snapback] No, the question was "why don't Israel use their nukes on their enemies " ? "other countries will use them when they have the same capability" is not really a question....but a statement, which if proved true, will then lead to the question "who are the real warmongers around here " and then "why didn't we stop them while we could" Think about it, or borrow Renton's book as he's intelligent, and knows what he's talking about . And - what about a solution, seeing as I asked, and you clever guys think you have the answers. 145076[/snapback] what the fuck are you on? Im still waiting for your solution Leazes seeing as you've been asked for it numerous times now. So go on, you first...

So yet again at least he gives an answer to a question posed to him Leazes whereas you still dont. Have you purposefully worked on your posting style because every 'discussion' you get in always goes the same way. Argue against an extreme opposite point to yours that no one has actualy ever given Ignore replies and continue Ignore questions and continue Start to be abusive, continue to ignore replies and questions Take the high ground when abuse comes back and label any response as childish. Still ignore replies and questions You're becoming more and more of a joke man. Oh and well done at getting the right Ali in your sig. Kind of defeats the point when the person you're trying to ridicule with it had to help you get it right

Wasnt HTT asking you for careers advice a month or so back? He could be your boy

That looks excellent. I'm not getting at Live, I think it's great - good for keeping in touch with mates around the world as well, but even when you've got a few in communicating in Battlefield or whatever it's not the same as a few beers/smokes and GoldenEye/SuperSmash. I may be too much of an old fogey but I still need the personal contact. Do you play Battlefield at all? Once they iron out a few issues I'll play little else, I reckon - well that and the arcade. 141736[/snapback] dont get me wrong I agree but theres a fair few of us that have been playing regularly together for a few years now and when the game gets the implementation right it can be almost as good. BF is one of the worst though. I rarely find anyone who bothers communicating at all. We still play it now and again and I'd like to able to play it more if they could implement private games. We have a fair few members in a clan but theres never enough on at any one time to sort something out. We sort of went back to COD2 with the new maps for a bit. I got the table tennis game yesterday and its great online, we'll be palying that a lot. Got addicted to Uno too. Spent over £2000 on equpiment and Im sat there playing a fricking card game!! Texas hold em should be out soon too. been meaning to ask for a while, are you nia11?

no HD but it will be in 480p. Online can be that until you start playing with a regular group of people. The Wii will have an online service too but I cant see it being as polished as Live (when its implemented well anyway). It does come with opera as a web browser, is wireless out the box and will remain online even when you turn it off. You should download the video of the execs playing tennis at the E3 conference , looks funny as. http://uk.media.revolution.ign.com/media/8...987/vids_1.html

there was a cartoon of it but I wasnt sure if that counted as a film, I think it was less than an hour long, so I put Green Eggs and Ham or Green Eggs and Hamlet earlier on (after going to imdb too). Layer Cake is the cake near cocktail and american graffiti. Chocalat is the only thing I can think of for the pile of sweets/chocolates near the orange

you dont get the film or the clue? Darkstar is a John Carpenter movie from 70's. Black star near moon Dobermann (correct spelling), french flcik starring Monica Belluci and Vincet Cassell iirc. The Doberman. I reckon the Santa one is actually Bad Santa. Santa's holding a pitchfork geordieshandy is probably right too its 'the eagle has landed' rather than 'where eagles dare' Chocolat. Pile of chocolates near orange

the elephant man airplane thin red line

seven layer cake thirteen dark star dragonfly where eagles dare red eye cocktail the pacifier the dish jarhead swat

doberman chopper

revolver green card anchorman pink panther 21 grammes

barbwire the crow goldeneye the ring silver bullet green eggs and ham or green eggs and hamlet chicken run sneakers

The money pit anaconda the matador snake eyes