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Obama wasn't exactly leaning on any democrats to vote along party lines....lines that he dictates.

It's a verbatim transcript of an interview where he seems to have got tongue tied. The point remains though.

You seem to be saying the left shouldn't complain, because America is a predominantly right wing country with a right wing media who will spin the facts that justify those complaints to portray the left negatively. How do you see supporting Obama's corporatist, war mongering, civil liberties eroding agenda as having a positive effect for liberals? Would Fox suddenly start championing the black man? He was refused funding by the Senate for Guantanamo, they voted against him, yet the far left feel the need to villify him for this. Its illogical in some cases. As for the progress of change, its like a set of football fans of a newly promoted club clamouring for the manager to go because they arent top of the premiership. I think some of the younger democrats havent really got a clue about what it means to hold and retain power. Some things just take time. Its the excess of criticism that worries and bemuses me. I'm not comfortable with your association of Obama with corporatism, war-mongering or the erosion of civil liberties. The world is corporatist now, it used to just be the west but not anymore, thats a fact of life. Bush was a war mongerer, think that harsh on Obama and isnt the erosion of civil liberties characteristic of most societies in the 21st century? In October, 2008, the ACLU issued a report outlining the policies needed to restore civil liberties and America's constitutional framework in the wake of the Bush assault, entitled "Actions for Restoring America." On the one-year anniversary of Obama's inauguration as President, the ACLU has issued a new report -- pointedly and revealingly entitled "America Unrestored" -- which details Obama's record in these areas. Although there have been a few isolated bright spots (the DOJ's intensified domestic enforcement of civil rights laws), Obama's overall civil liberties record has been extremely disappointing, and this report from the ACLU comprehensively documents the failures. It's simplistic to say he asked the senate to provide cash, they said no, what more do you want? One of the authors of those reports spoke to Glenn Greenwald last week... http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_gr...mero/index.html

Mind, I'm on wor lasses piddling connection at the moment.

If Shepherd was in charge we'd have bought a replacement but you forced him out of the club.

and there you have the problem. They, incredibly, STILL don't see ....... Anyway, please tell me what is wrong with hoping someone will come in and repeat what we did under the Halls and Shepherd. Don't you ? Do you think Ridsdale made a mess at Leeds? do you think the Leeds supporters didn't enjoy the Champs League run or do you think they would have preferred to be an up and down club like the mackems were ? Thats a ridiculous question and one which Hall and Shepherd bashers frequently ask as a stick to beat them with. I can quite categorically tell you that our period under the Halls and Shepherd beat the crap out of the "settle for mediocrity" eras which preceded it going back to the 1950's. I've said in my post above that they'd have thoroughly enjoyed it...and that we thoroughly enjoyed our shorter less succesful period in the spotlight. Enjoying something and it being wrong are not mutually exclusive. Actually, it's usually the opposite. I enjoy smoking a crack pipe, but the long term health benefits are debateable at best. You seem to think the crack pipe, as well as providing instant and enjoyable thrills, is also one of your five a day. Football is all about striving for success to your utmost capability. If you don't accept this or want it, there is no point in being a football supporter. Ask the mackems and a host of other clubs if they would have swapped their nothing existence to ours for those 15 years. I am telling you now that they would all swap it just like anybody else who has experienced true mediocrity the likes of which we are experiencing now. Would you like new owners to lift the club back to where we were under the Halls and Shepherd or not ? So that's a yes, you do think Ridsdale was a good chairman. Actually, I blame O'Leary too, but give me someone with ambition than someone happy to run a yoyo nothing club anyday. Would you have swapped our 15 years under the Halls and Shepherd for the mackem years under Bob Murray for instance or the vast majority of other premiership clubs who also got absolutely nowhere ? The kind of ambition that led to them dropping to the third division for the first time in their history. I wouldn't have swapped those first five years under Hall and Shepherd for much else. The ten years after that was only rarely even close to that though. You can repeat your 15 year mantra all you like, but as I said earlier, in the ten years Shepherd was at the helm we finished in the bottom half more than we finished in the top half. The fact we kept spending money like we were in the champions league was often more idiocy than ambition. Pathetic that people pick up on a very rare occurence such as happened at Leeds to demean the intentions of the Halls and Shepherd such is their desperation to sling anything possible at them. Point is, getting to the Champions League might be something that only happens once in a lifetime, it certainly hasn't happened to any of us yet, do if you seriously think that existing in the top league at best and not attempting it is better you are very sad and I certainly would never agree that you should settle for it. You will be trying to tell me next that you would swap the last 15 years of a club like Everton or Fulham for ours just because they are currently in the premiership and we are not. What a load of bollocks. Leeds was a rare occurence because most chairmen won't risk the long term future of the club for a brief European trip. It's happening more and more with the likes of Portsmouth and West ham in the shit big style. We never spent a great deal to challenge for ther title and get champions league football. We showed ambition but did so by supporting a proven manager only with the funds we could afford. Up to the point we signed Tino and Shearer the balance sheet was down by less than £13m. That's because we didn't go around throwing stupid money around. We bought well and trebled our money on the likes of Andy Cole. Building an entire squad on £13m and offsetting £7m on one player isn't throwing money at the situation like Shepherd did in later years. I wouldn't swap the challenges for anything less than a succesful campaign ....your belief that such enjoyable times were built on precariously extended purse strings are completely wrong. and you, can't apply hindsight which is easy for anybody to do. Who's using hindsight? The whole point of you bringing up this tired argument is that people (me included) weren't happy with how Shepherd ran the club when he was in charge and you wouldn't hear a word against him. We've been having the same argument for years. indeed. You can't say you would swap it for a successful campaign because nobody knows if it will be successful, how dumb is that ? Besides, the vast majority of clubs would say qualifying for the champs League and playing in europe was successful. You would yourself now wouldn't you You're the one who asked if, in hindsight, i'd swap it for what the mackems had, dipshit! I've never said i wasn't happy with what success we had, however you define it. But I'll repeat myself again and remind you that most of that success was built on a solid foundation of spending within our means at the time, and to a large degree selling players to subsidise new purchases.

and there you have the problem. They, incredibly, STILL don't see ....... Anyway, please tell me what is wrong with hoping someone will come in and repeat what we did under the Halls and Shepherd. Don't you ? Do you think Ridsdale made a mess at Leeds? do you think the Leeds supporters didn't enjoy the Champs League run or do you think they would have preferred to be an up and down club like the mackems were ? Thats a ridiculous question and one which Hall and Shepherd bashers frequently ask as a stick to beat them with. I can quite categorically tell you that our period under the Halls and Shepherd beat the crap out of the "settle for mediocrity" eras which preceded it going back to the 1950's. I've said in my post above that they'd have thoroughly enjoyed it...and that we thoroughly enjoyed our shorter less succesful period in the spotlight. Enjoying something and it being wrong are not mutually exclusive. Actually, it's usually the opposite. I enjoy smoking a crack pipe, but the long term health benefits are debateable at best. You seem to think the crack pipe, as well as providing instant and enjoyable thrills, is also one of your five a day. Football is all about striving for success to your utmost capability. If you don't accept this or want it, there is no point in being a football supporter. Ask the mackems and a host of other clubs if they would have swapped their nothing existence to ours for those 15 years. I am telling you now that they would all swap it just like anybody else who has experienced true mediocrity the likes of which we are experiencing now. Would you like new owners to lift the club back to where we were under the Halls and Shepherd or not ? So that's a yes, you do think Ridsdale was a good chairman. Actually, I blame O'Leary too, but give me someone with ambition than someone happy to run a yoyo nothing club anyday. Would you have swapped our 15 years under the Halls and Shepherd for the mackem years under Bob Murray for instance or the vast majority of other premiership clubs who also got absolutely nowhere ? The kind of ambition that led to them dropping to the third division for the first time in their history. I wouldn't have swapped those first five years under Hall and Shepherd for much else. The ten years after that was only rarely even close to that though. You can repeat your 15 year mantra all you like, but as I said earlier, in the ten years Shepherd was at the helm we finished in the bottom half more than we finished in the top half. The fact we kept spending money like we were in the champions league was often more idiocy than ambition. Pathetic that people pick up on a very rare occurence such as happened at Leeds to demean the intentions of the Halls and Shepherd such is their desperation to sling anything possible at them. Point is, getting to the Champions League might be something that only happens once in a lifetime, it certainly hasn't happened to any of us yet, do if you seriously think that existing in the top league at best and not attempting it is better you are very sad and I certainly would never agree that you should settle for it. You will be trying to tell me next that you would swap the last 15 years of a club like Everton or Fulham for ours just because they are currently in the premiership and we are not. What a load of bollocks. Leeds was a rare occurence because most chairmen won't risk the long term future of the club for a brief European trip. It's happening more and more with the likes of Portsmouth and West ham in the shit big style. We never spent a great deal to challenge for ther title and get champions league football. We showed ambition but did so by supporting a proven manager only with the funds we could afford. Up to the point we signed Tino and Shearer the balance sheet was down by less than £13m. That's because we didn't go around throwing stupid money around. We bought well and trebled our money on the likes of Andy Cole. Building an entire squad on £13m and offsetting £7m on one player isn't throwing money at the situation like Shepherd did in later years. I wouldn't swap the challenges for anything less than a succesful campaign ....your belief that such enjoyable times were built on precariously extended purse strings are completely wrong. and you, can't apply hindsight which is easy for anybody to do. Who's using hindsight? The whole point of you bringing up this tired argument is that people (me included) weren't happy with how Shepherd ran the club when he was in charge and you wouldn't hear a word against him. We've been having the same argument for years.

and there you have the problem. They, incredibly, STILL don't see ....... Anyway, please tell me what is wrong with hoping someone will come in and repeat what we did under the Halls and Shepherd. Don't you ? Do you think Ridsdale made a mess at Leeds? do you think the Leeds supporters didn't enjoy the Champs League run or do you think they would have preferred to be an up and down club like the mackems were ? Thats a ridiculous question and one which Hall and Shepherd bashers frequently ask as a stick to beat them with. I can quite categorically tell you that our period under the Halls and Shepherd beat the crap out of the "settle for mediocrity" eras which preceded it going back to the 1950's. I've said in my post above that they'd have thoroughly enjoyed it...and that we thoroughly enjoyed our shorter less succesful period in the spotlight. Enjoying something and it being wrong are not mutually exclusive. Actually, it's usually the opposite. I enjoy smoking a crack pipe, but the long term health benefits are debateable at best. You seem to think the crack pipe, as well as providing instant and enjoyable thrills, is also one of your five a day. Football is all about striving for success to your utmost capability. If you don't accept this or want it, there is no point in being a football supporter. Ask the mackems and a host of other clubs if they would have swapped their nothing existence to ours for those 15 years. I am telling you now that they would all swap it just like anybody else who has experienced true mediocrity the likes of which we are experiencing now. Would you like new owners to lift the club back to where we were under the Halls and Shepherd or not ? So that's a yes, you do think Ridsdale was a good chairman. Actually, I blame O'Leary too, but give me someone with ambition than someone happy to run a yoyo nothing club anyday. Would you have swapped our 15 years under the Halls and Shepherd for the mackem years under Bob Murray for instance or the vast majority of other premiership clubs who also got absolutely nowhere ? The kind of ambition that led to them dropping to the third division for the first time in their history. I wouldn't have swapped those first five years under Hall and Shepherd for much else. The ten years after that was only rarely even close to that though. You can repeat your 15 year mantra all you like, but as I said earlier, in the ten years Shepherd was at the helm we finished in the bottom half more than we finished in the top half. The fact we kept spending money like we were in the champions league was often more idiocy than ambition. Pathetic that people pick up on a very rare occurence such as happened at Leeds to demean the intentions of the Halls and Shepherd such is their desperation to sling anything possible at them. Point is, getting to the Champions League might be something that only happens once in a lifetime, it certainly hasn't happened to any of us yet, do if you seriously think that existing in the top league at best and not attempting it is better you are very sad and I certainly would never agree that you should settle for it. You will be trying to tell me next that you would swap the last 15 years of a club like Everton or Fulham for ours just because they are currently in the premiership and we are not. What a load of bollocks. Leeds was a rare occurence because most chairmen won't risk the long term future of the club for a brief European trip. It's happening more and more with the likes of Portsmouth and West ham in the shit big style. We never spent a great deal to challenge for ther title and get champions league football. We showed ambition but did so by supporting a proven manager only with the funds we could afford. Up to the point we signed Tino and Shearer the balance sheet was down by less than £13m. That's because we didn't go around throwing stupid money around. We bought well and trebled our money on the likes of Andy Cole. Building an entire squad on £13m and offsetting £7m on one player isn't throwing money at the situation like Shepherd did in later years. I wouldn't swap the challenges for anything less than a succesful campaign....your belief that such enjoyable times were built on precariously extended purse strings are completely wrong.

He's got a bit of the Dyer about him I reckon. Permacrock?

That's possibly the most punchable face I've ever seen

1. I finished modern Warfare on veteran last night. 2. Need to get back on x-box live so I can do it in co-op. 3. I used to like Billiy Connolly, but think he's a twat now. 4. Just had a nice Turkey dinner. 5. Drinking machine coffee though. eugh!

You seem to be saying the left shouldn't complain, because America is a predominantly right wing country with a right wing media who will spin the facts that justify those complaints to portray the left negatively. How do you see supporting Obama's corporatist, war mongering, civil liberties eroding agenda as having a positive effect for liberals? Would Fox suddenly start championing the black man?

I'd offer ofere a fair offer. Who?

I like Brothers. I've been listening to Smodcast. The last two have been Kevin and his mother, Grace. He's been getting her high for the first time in her life and talking about Religion, drug use and their family history. Odd to hear a son talk so brazenly about his mother piping his dead father. Hilarious stuff and strangely moving too. Some of the best podcasting I've heard all year. I went to see Kevin Smith at a 'talk-in' or stand-up or whatever, and it was great. I'm not really a fan of his movies, or a stoner, but he's very entertaining. He went on stage early, stayed late and was very happy to be there. edit : are the smodcasts any good? I've never listened If you liked his talk, you'll love the Smodcasts. You're lucky to have 103 of them to catch up on. I'm not a fan of his films either.

I am placing stock in the .com "private source" on that one like.

Just to keep score, so far it's confirmed we've lost out on 4 players that Hughton wanted because of money (either our bid or our wage offer being too low). Kilgallon, Beckford, Kuranyi & Perch. With a bid accepted for Williamson, hopefully we can agree wages. Having spent most of his career in the third division he can't be demanding that much.

Another take on this.... http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/1/1...n-the-coal-mine

It's funny to look at threads like this which are as recent as two years old... http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...3&hl=leazes But it gets a bit sad when you get four years back and see what a joke Leazes was then... http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...7&hl=leazes

I like Brothers. I've been listening to Smodcast. The last two have been Kevin and his mother, Grace. He's been getting her high for the first time in her life and talking about Religion, drug use and their family history. Odd to hear a son talk so brazenly about his mother piping his dead father. Hilarious stuff and strangely moving too. Some of the best podcasting I've heard all year.

and there you have the problem. They, incredibly, STILL don't see ....... Anyway, please tell me what is wrong with hoping someone will come in and repeat what we did under the Halls and Shepherd. Don't you ? Do you think Ridsdale made a mess at Leeds? do you think the Leeds supporters didn't enjoy the Champs League run or do you think they would have preferred to be an up and down club like the mackems were ? Thats a ridiculous question and one which Hall and Shepherd bashers frequently ask as a stick to beat them with. I can quite categorically tell you that our period under the Halls and Shepherd beat the crap out of the "settle for mediocrity" eras which preceded it going back to the 1950's. I've said in my post above that they'd have thoroughly enjoyed it...and that we thoroughly enjoyed our shorter less succesful period in the spotlight. Enjoying something and it being wrong are not mutually exclusive. Actually, it's usually the opposite. I enjoy smoking a crack pipe, but the long term health benefits are debateable at best. You seem to think the crack pipe, as well as providing instant and enjoyable thrills, is also one of your five a day. Football is all about striving for success to your utmost capability. If you don't accept this or want it, there is no point in being a football supporter. Ask the mackems and a host of other clubs if they would have swapped their nothing existence to ours for those 15 years. I am telling you now that they would all swap it just like anybody else who has experienced true mediocrity the likes of which we are experiencing now. Would you like new owners to lift the club back to where we were under the Halls and Shepherd or not ? So that's a yes, you do think Ridsdale was a good chairman. Actually, I blame O'Leary too, but give me someone with ambition than someone happy to run a yoyo nothing club anyday. Would you have swapped our 15 years under the Halls and Shepherd for the mackem years under Bob Murray for instance or the vast majority of other premiership clubs who also got absolutely nowhere ? The kind of ambition that led to them dropping to the third division for the first time in their history. I wouldn't have swapped those first five years under Hall and Shepherd for much else. The ten years after that was only rarely even close to that though. You can repeat your 15 year mantra all you like, but as I said earlier, in the ten years Shepherd was at the helm we finished in the bottom half more than we finished in the top half. The fact we kept spending money like we were in the champions league was often more idiocy than ambition.

The new Chris Morris terrorism comedy screened there too...

Watched it tonight too. I don't think it had a chance to impress me that much a year after sweeping the board at the oscars. Still canny though.

and there you have the problem. They, incredibly, STILL don't see ....... Anyway, please tell me what is wrong with hoping someone will come in and repeat what we did under the Halls and Shepherd. Don't you ? Do you think Ridsdale made a mess at Leeds? do you think the Leeds supporters didn't enjoy the Champs League run or do you think they would have preferred to be an up and down club like the mackems were ? Thats a ridiculous question and one which Hall and Shepherd bashers frequently ask as a stick to beat them with. I can quite categorically tell you that our period under the Halls and Shepherd beat the crap out of the "settle for mediocrity" eras which preceded it going back to the 1950's. I've said in my post above that they'd have thoroughly enjoyed it...and that we thoroughly enjoyed our shorter less succesful period in the spotlight. Enjoying something and it being wrong are not mutually exclusive. Actually, it's usually the opposite. I enjoy smoking a crack pipe, but the long term health benefits are debateable at best. You seem to think the crack pipe, as well as providing instant and enjoyable thrills, is also one of your five a day. Football is all about striving for success to your utmost capability. If you don't accept this or want it, there is no point in being a football supporter. Ask the mackems and a host of other clubs if they would have swapped their nothing existence to ours for those 15 years. I am telling you now that they would all swap it just like anybody else who has experienced true mediocrity the likes of which we are experiencing now. Would you like new owners to lift the club back to where we were under the Halls and Shepherd or not ? So that's a yes, you do think Ridsdale was a good chairman.

and there you have the problem. They, incredibly, STILL don't see ....... Anyway, please tell me what is wrong with hoping someone will come in and repeat what we did under the Halls and Shepherd. Don't you ? Do you think Ridsdale made a mess at Leeds? do you think the Leeds supporters didn't enjoy the Champs League run or do you think they would have preferred to be an up and down club like the mackems were ? Thats a ridiculous question and one which Hall and Shepherd bashers frequently ask as a stick to beat them with. I can quite categorically tell you that our period under the Halls and Shepherd beat the crap out of the "settle for mediocrity" eras which preceded it going back to the 1950's. I've said in my post above that they'd have thoroughly enjoyed it...and that we thoroughly enjoyed our shorter less succesful period in the spotlight. Enjoying something and it being wrong are not mutually exclusive. Actually, it's usually the opposite. I enjoy smoking a crack pipe, but the long term health benefits are debateable at best. You seem to think the crack pipe, as well as providing instant and enjoyable thrills, is also one of your five a day.