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"I didn't even touch her and she deserved it anyway."

As Alex has already said, citing examples were people cry islamophobia incorrectly in no way proves islamophobia isn't a problem. I could pick out examples of people using the racism card incorrectly too. I wouldn't then make the illogical leap that racism isn't a problem at all.

It's better than The Satanic Verses.

Pretty much what the people I know have said. The problem is you sit staring at that search box without necessarily having a clue what you want to put in it. You can't browse a collection or shuffle everything you like or create smart playlists. One lad i know says he's only listened to the same 4 songs for the past month, so he's downgraded from the £10 service to the £5. Much better to have a browsable collection for listening pleasure. For finding new music it could be worth it, depending on how much you expand your collection each month. Do you spend £120 a year on albums you've not heard? When someone says listen to this or that and you have a mission to get it, Spotify and Grooveshark would be the best legal ways to do it I'd have thought. I wouldn't pay for it thinking you'll listen to more new music though. I'd look at how much new music you currently invest ion and whether Spotify will save you money. Easy way to check if it's worthwhile for the amount of new music you purchase would be to set up a smart playlist for 2010 and count how many albums you've added this year. Would it have been cheaper to use Spotify than it would to have bought them all at £9 an album? If not, just stick with the free version for checking out recommendations.

Hoy some Christopher O'Riley on for the bait. Tunes everyone knows classed up no end on the piano.

And Barack Obama. No, he made a point of saying he was ONLY commenting on the constitutional right, there was an "AND" in the sentence you selectively quoted. He specifically said he would not comment on the wisdom of exercising this right in this situation. No Seems reasonable to me too. We're far more reasonable in this country i think.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-11084743

The outrage doesn't stop with Fox and the public shitstorm they've generated. There's a widespread political consensus across both major parties that the proposal should be stopped or relocated despite the constitution's clear position on religious freedom. Only a few politicians like Ron Paul, Joe Sestak, Grover Norquist, Russ Feingold, Jerry Nadler and Ted Olson have had the balls to speak up in support of constitutional rights AND the importance of avoiding precedent setting concessions to a baying mob to circumvent them.

He's decent crack tbf. Seems like a thinker anyway. Nice to have Fop back.

"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."

When's it on?

Quite a generalisation there. No-one oppposed to the Mosque or at the protest is actually criticising or satirising Islam here though are they? They're criticising the specific inncocent individuals behind the project (and many others trying to do the same around the country), linking them to terrorism and suggesting they're a danger to New Yorkers safety because they're muslims. Inciting that kind of unfounded fear is Islamophobia. I'm all for criticising Islam as a religion (like all others) on the grounds of it's backward thinking. I'm all for criticicising an Islamic government attempting to kill a novelist for his writing. That's not Islamophobia. It's dangerous to confuse the two as you have here because it's what separates legitimate discussion of an entire group without restriction of their freedoms, as opposed to persecution of the members of a group based on the extremism of a limited number of it's members. There's no contradiction in condemning the latter while embracing the former. It's helped less by refusing to allow them a church which would help them integrate. Treating them differently to members of any other religion. I think I covered above the differences between people getting upset when something insensitive is said and what might actually happen here. I never thought that and didn't ask that and never thought that. I find it a strange way to twist my point. You said Islamophobia is a euphemism. My point was that it's not at all. You gave a definition of a "phobia" which was: "an irrational, intense and persistent fear of ... people. The main symptom of this disorder is the excessive and unreasonable desire to avoid the feared stimulus." What is the concern about this mosque if not a totally irrational fear of muslims (linking them all to Hamas for example) and an unreasonable desire to avoid them? I was asking if you thought antisemitism was a euphemism too.

No-one on here was having the debate while it was just a ridiculous Fox invention. The problem is the news has shamefully driven the story into something to discuss by constantly covering the polls and initiating protests and forcing every politician to state their voter friendly opinion giving credence to the mock right wing outrage.

Will it? Where? I'd have thought it would be the opposite of "islamophobic", seeing how it taunts those who threaten our freedom of exprssion rather than whipping up fear and hysteria. If anyone has failed to recognise a distinction here it's you. Which is? 1. Semantics is the major issue regarding the term Islamophobia as opposed to racism or anti-religious persecution, I thought that much was clear. 2. Yes. In a discussion on BBC news (most high profile example, it's on youtube) amongst other places. Muslims who agreed with the censorship of the danish cartoons and any cartoons depicting Muhammed generally stated they should be banned because they are 'Islamophobic'. 3. Racism. Or anti-muslim hysteria. 1. While I agree it's an issue (similar to the misuse of "terrorist" instead of "Muslim" people like Leazes often lapse into), it's not the major issue here. I think the major issues are freedom of speech and freedom of religion. Both have been exercised here so far, but there's huge political, media and public pressure on the former resulting in the restriction of the latter, which any patriotic American should resist. 2. If they did in that case, they were mistaken in my opinion. Not in this case though. Cut and dry Islamophobia in this case. 3. All 3 really.

I haven't heard of him, not reviewing him/his film tinkerbell, rather fatness. Bit of a lapse Parkster. Sundance indie hero 15 years back.

Here you go.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Religious_persecution Do you feel the same about anti-semitiism too? First of all, no 'phobia' appears on that wiki link you posted. It is a list of links to pages which document examples of religious persecution. I can post wiki links too, but I will post one which is relevant to the discussion. "A phobia (from the Greek: φόβος,phóbos, meaning "fear" or "morbid fear") is an irrational, intense and persistent fear of certain situations, activities, things, animals, or people. The main symptom of this disorder is the excessive and unreasonable desire to avoid the feared stimulus." So your biggest problem with this whole matter is semantics? No Will it? Where? I'd have thought it would be the opposite of "islamophobic", seeing how it taunts those who threaten our freedom of exprssion rather than whipping up fear and hysteria. If anyone has failed to recognise a distinction here it's you. See above. It's you conflating terms here. Which is?

Here you go.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Religious_persecution Do you feel the same about anti-semitiism too?

Flannagan is fucking hilarious. I started listening to the Steve-Dave podcast after reading you post about them on here btw, so cheers for that. Look forward to it every week now. Champion

http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football/42655...s_football.aspx Good lad. Clearly never came to any of the Euro 96 games at a half empty stadium though.

Less than £8 for the pair

More of a catastrophe.

Cakes by the look of her.

FIGHT!

It's a fine line many producers can't distinguish. Baddiel and Skinner and Danny Baker and Danny Kelly know an absolute shitload about the game and they use their knoweldge and shape their comedy around it. Corden and Richard Bacon know fuck all and are brought in to do inane shows for people who only like football once every 4 years....they frame their references for people with that level of knowledge. Nicely summed up. Richard Bacon once admitted he'd never played a game of football in his life. Not even a kickabout down the park. A bit like HTT Thinking about it a bit more, I think the best football shows are just about what the creators loved about it when they were younger. Fantasy football was largley based around old football....phoenix from the flames, St and Greavsie investigate, Jeff Astle etc. The theme tune based on the 1970 world cup song. Their own world cup song based on the last 30 years of England failures. You wouldn't guess a ball had been kicked prior to 1992 if you watched Soccer AM and i can't imagine many people involved in the show would know if one had.