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That's not actually my line on it exactly. Looking at the latest leak for instance, a lot of this information was widely known, and this knowledge went beyond a mere suspicion. Take the example of Pakistan's government allowing US drone strikes whilst outwardly protesting against them; this had been written about for a significant time in the press, by reporters who had privilege to sources from within the country's government; there was no revelation involved here. Whilst that's fine in and of itself, Wikileaks have been guilty of a severe over-egging of the quality of this latest content and the impact it will supposedly have. There will be no legal ramifications regarding a lot of these e-mails and leaks and so on, and this makes me question the direction of the site and also renders the question of 'suspicion vs proof' somewhat redundant. If their ultimate goal is to expose corruption and criminal acts that have been covered up, and to affect changes in legislation and law as a result of their leaks, then why bother with this sort of content? The only thing that will be prompted by publicly embarrassing several governments is the huge pressure we're now seeing applied to Wikileaks and Aflange. Is it really worth the possible death of the site just to expose Prince Andrew's toilet habits in a leaked email? I also have my problems with Aflange. His proposed goals toward the Iraq and Afghan wars were stupid, although the leaks on them have been very interesting and have helped to swing me in favour of the Iraq war. American troops have been guilty for a lot less civilian deaths than I had previously believed, and of particular interest are the details of the abuses and crimes of the Iraqi authorities - post-invasion. Aflange talks of ethics a lot and he has obviously absolved the Ba'athists, Al-Qaida, Iranian-backed militia and religious zealots for their part in destroying the society of Iraq. I can't take that step, and whilst the 'coalition of the good-guys' forces have not only made terrible errors, but been guilty of a flagrant lack of planning (although who could plan for the aftermath of such a thing?), I will not blame them for murders which they did not commit. The anti-war crowd - Aflange included - attribute the blame for Al-Qaida bombs in Iraq on the invading forces, though they cannot state with authority that Iraqi society wouldn't have descended into a scrofulous murder-zone had the war not taken place. Saddam Hussein had never been one to shy away from his genocidal proclivities, and he had proven effective in morphing Iraq into a fractious calamity, teetering on the precipice of a violent implosion. So, back to Aflange: stupid ethics, a preening mouthpiece for the hippy-hackers and a relentless sex-pest. Wikileaks have been spot-on with some of their leaks, but others have left a sour taste: the taste of a shit. It is sad to see 30-something year old men who display an embarrassing piety in their hero-worship of characters like Aflange; no man is without fault, as Zimmerman once said, "don't follow leaders, and watch your parking meters.' Ghandi was a shit also. ...and Mother T. The Evil hag.

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I never took it that way, I have nowt to do with the wikileaks community. EDIT: I may have some Geek like tendencies if i'm honest though.

and you're making up my opinion for me ? The most tedious thing of all is this obsession with the US and the thinking that we have a "right to know" classified information from within government. There's nothing "blind" about it, its the way it is, and quite right too. Why do you keep quoting "right to know"? Who are you quoting? No-one disagrees that a government is well within it's rights to try to keep information confidential. If, however, the people ordered to keep it confidential believe it's not in the public interest to do so, and they choose to leak it, then they have whistleblower protection rights that should be honoured, and a free press have a duty to print those leaks without government retribution. You're saying people leaking stories should be killed, which is disgusting, and exactly the sort of thing you've said OTHERS should be killed for....you've supported the death sentence (without charge) of an American citizen (Awlaki). The only crime he's accused of is inciting murder on the internet. By your own argument, you could be killed without charge for your dangerous views.

What "other side" do you imagine I have more sympathy with like? You're the one endorsing chinese style government suppression of a free press.

ah, nobody is perfect Parky, indeed. But the west, is infinitely less "evil" and corrupt than other parts of the world, which is how we are able to come on here and say so..... Irony lost on HF, the modern equivalent of the old CND supporters and naive appeasers of old It's not an irony, it's a fact I'm aware of and grateful for......it's a right I think we should protect...rather than banning Wikileaks...and turning into china.

That this has proven to be the juiciest one yet Where have I said the US are the bad boys? Amazing you can call me naive for wanting to know the facts and wanting a free press that will actually chase them, wheras you seem to want nothing more than blissful ignorance. who said I want blissful ignorance ? You have a bee in your bonnet because you think you have a "right to know", but you do not. Confidentiality and "need to know" are necessary in this world. Like it or not, such things exist and they exist for a reason. A reason you clearly don't understand. More imaginary arguments I've never said we have a right to know everything. I have no problem with confidentiality whatsoever...when called for. Do you believe confidentiality was imperative for every one of the more than half a million documents wikileaks have released in their 3 recent major dumps? Do you believe governments never make use of confidentiality to cover up wrong doing where there is no national security risk?

I notionally endorse the wishing of a happy birthday too, if in fact it is your birthday.

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That this has proven to be the juiciest one yet Where have I said the US are the bad boys? Amazing you can call me naive for wanting to know the facts and wanting a free press that will actually chase them, wheras you seem to want nothing more than blissful ignorance.

Wikileaks get investigated, but otherwise left to operate (as they do) within the law as long as they're providing evidence of lowly soldiers killing and torturing, even though they're following orders......but the moment diplomats, politicians, ambassadors and anyone with an ounce of power is embarrassed in the slightest, the full force of political pressure is brought upon them to shut down the entire operation. Really ruffled feathers with this....the least shocking of their releases. Sorry Leazes. I know how much you despise anyone harping on about being right.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/0...kileaks-account Dissent will not be tolerated. Hey! But paypal and facebook and all this stuff is cool man! It's like all revolutionary and stuff...We're the kids baby and it's like made us free and shit....blah blah blah... Following the lead of Daniel Elsberg... I’m disgusted by Amazon’s cowardice and servility in abruptly terminating its hosting of the Wikileaks website, in the face of threats from Senator Joe Lieberman and other Congressional right-wingers. I want no further association with any company that encourages legislative and executive officials to aspire to China’s control of information and deterrence of whistle-blowing. I ask Amazon to terminate immediately my account, to delete my contact and credit information from their files and to send me no more notices. I understand that many other regular customers feel as I do and are responding the same way. Good: the broader and more immediate the boycott, the better. I hope that these others encourage their contact lists to do likewise and to let Amazon know exactly why they’re shifting their business. So far Amazon has spared itself the further embarrassment of trying to explain its action openly. This would be a good time for Amazon insiders who know and perhaps can document the political pressures that were brought to bear–and the details of the hasty kowtowing by their bosses–to leak that information. They can send it to Wikileaks (now on servers outside the US), to mainstream journalists or bloggers, or perhaps to sites like antiwar.com that have now appropriately ended their book-purchasing association with Amazon. Yours (no longer), Happy Face >>You should receive a response from one of our representatives within 12 hours. Follow suit people, you know it makes sense.

As predicted..... Wikileaks get investigated, but otherwise left to operate (as they do) within the law as long as they're providing evidence of lowly soldiers killing and torturing, even though they're following orders......but the moment diplomats, politicians, ambassadors and anyone with an ounce of power is embarrassed in the slightest, the full force of political pressure is brought upon them to shut down the entire operation. Really ruffled feathers with this....the least shocking of their releases.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/0...kileaks-account Dissent will not be tolerated.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/de...ationship/print

Merry birthday and that.

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http://213.251.145.96/ When was the last time political pressure was put onto US companies not to sell (for example) The Washington Post for revealing embarrassing stories? Land of the free....emulating China.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...ml?hpid=topnews http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/0...-servers-amazon The US walked straight into his trap.

Parky just spunked in his lederhosen.

A sentence that paints a thousand pictures.