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Bill Maher was doing a bit on Trump last week and expressed outrage that he wants to kill the children of terrorists ... Forgetting that Obama did exactly that to an American boy I think many of the differences (though not a majority) are perceived rather than actual.

"Knew lows" CT is beaming with pride too. Bloody wife rushing me to stop ignoring the kids

I think the fruit loops accusing Clinton of murder and that have done her a favor. when the actual mundane (but newsworthy) revelations come out people are underwhelmed.

Think it's more that her campaign wanted to publicly tout the line that they wanted all 55k handed over having got an agreement that less than 1% of that number ever would be. Correcting the mistake would have been to state that only the small number of mails that they perceived to be related to the investigation were handed over.

Of course Clinton was the most popular within the party. Clinton represented all the lobbying groups that the majority of democrats get their contributions from. She was the status quo for everyone. Sanders was a bomb dropping in the middle of that. Someone not bought and paid for who would not be swayed by "special interests" like the majority of party elites. Wasserman Schultz was the co-chair of Clinton's run in 2008. None of these reasons for supporting Clinton reflect principled policy allignment with her. If they were to advocate one side, Democratic party officials should be advocating the best candidate to win the election, not the nomionation. Not following your logic suggesting I would be reconsidering criticism of Obama. Plumbing the depths on candidates to knew lows doesn't excuse the lows that have been reached by previous incumbents or what a let down they have been when comparing their campaign rhetoric to what they have delivered.

You mean as opposed to her campaign team? Or the the mechanics of it? Mails were provided to State who passed a subset on to Congress. You can read the full mail string here... https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/12539 So publicly they were pushing the line that ALL 55k mails had been disclosed, privately they knew that not even 500 were ever going to reach congress.

You igniored my specific examples of policy that harmed bill Clinton's legacy and that of his wife. If you put your blinkers on to the genuine causes of opposition to Hillary and centrist policy and prefer to express incredulity about it, then you will see the popularity of Sanders and Trump (and Corbyn and Ukip etc) grow.

X is fine Actually X did this But Y is awful too why haven't you criticised Y? Well you never said Y was fine, it didn't need any correction.

It's been shown that tin foil, far from protecting your brain. Would actually enhance the waves designed to infiltrate it. http://www.howtogeek.com/114037/researchers-prove-tin-foil-hats-boost-receptivity-to-government-signals/

I have a new film going up on iPlayer this Sunday - the 16th. Here’s a background to what the film is about. And a trail. We live in a time of great uncertainty and confusion. Events keep happening that seem inexplicable and out of control. Donald Trump, Brexit, the War in Syria, the endless migrant crisis, random bomb attacks. And those who are supposed to be in power are paralysed - they have no idea what to do. This film is the epic story of how we got to this strange place. It explains not only why these chaotic events are happening - but also why we, and our politicians, cannot understand them. It shows that what has happened is that all of us in the West - not just the politicians and the journalists and the experts, but we ourselves - have retreated into a simplified, and often completely fake version of the world. But because it is all around us we accept it as normal. HyperNormalisation The film has been made specially for iplayer - and is a giant narrative spanning forty years, with an extraordinary cast of characters. They include the Assad dynasty, Donald Trump, Henry Kissinger, Patti Smith, the early performance artists in New York, President Putin, intelligent machines, Japanese gangsters, suicide bombers - and the extraordinary untold story of the rise, fall, rise again, and finally the assassination of Colonel Gaddafi. All these stories are woven together to show how today’s fake and hollow world was created. Part of it was done by those in power - politicians, financiers and technological utopians. Rather than face up to the real complexities of the world, they retreated. And instead constructed a simpler version of the world in order to hang onto power But it wasn’t just those in power. This strange world was built by all of us. We all went along with it because the simplicity was reassuring. And that included the left and the radicals who thought they were attacking the system. The film shows how they too retreated into this make-believe world - which is why their opposition today has no effect, and nothing ever changes. But there is another world outside. And the film shows dramatically how it is beginning to pierce through into our simplified bubble. Forces that politicians tried to forget and bury forty years ago - that were then left to fester and mutate - but which are now turning on us with a vengeful fury. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04b183c

I must have made up all those things because people liked how he played the sax then. What was Clinton, if not a centrist that caused the disenfranchise you talked about, for all the reasons i've given? Seems your default position is to disagree with me, even when I'm agreeing with you.

You missed the impeachment proceedings and that? Outside of Republican pursuit of his sexual abuses, liberals loathed his moving the Democratic party to the right. He signed NAFTA. He's widely regarded as throwing black people under the bus when his crime bill and welfare reform hit them hardest. He's also regarded as the deregulator whose gifts to the city led directly to the financial collapse. Many also place the blame for 9/11 with his 8 years in office and failure to neutralize Bin Laden rather than George Bush's 8 months.

Yet still they come

Running out of friends.

Due in no small part to her husband. She's been hated, along with him, since then.

The dictionary definition of a whistleblower. People ask why he won't go and face the courts to defend himself, but the courts will not allow a "public interest" defence or mention of the word "whistleblower" if they were to hear his case. The evidence is overwhelming of the public good he's done. #PardonSnowden

Broadest appeal? Clinton has the most negative ratings of any Democratic candidate of all time. Sanders beat trump more convincingly in every demographic iirc. Personal agreements/favours dictated that Clinton would get DNC backing this time.

British security agencies have secretly and unlawfully collected massive volumes of confidential personal data, including financial information, on citizens for more than a decade, top judges have ruled. The investigatory powers tribunal, which is the only court that hears complaints against MI5, MI6 and GCHQ, said the security services operated secret regimes to collect vast amounts of personal communications data, tracking individual phone and web use and large datasets of confidential personal information, without adequate safeguards or supervision for more than 10 years. The ruling said the regime governing the collection of bulk communications data (BCD) – the who, where, when and what of personal phone and web communications – failed to comply with article 8 protecting the right to privacy of the European convention of human rights (ECHR) between 1998, when it started, and 4 November 2015, when it was made public. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/17/uk-security-agencies-unlawfully-collected-data-for-decade Thanks Snowden

"Ms Wasserman Schultz's resignation follows a massive row over hacked emails that suggested the Democratic National Committee (DNC) favoured Ms Clinton during the primary, despite pledging neutrality. " Even if expressing a preference were fine (and we all knew the DNC wanted Clinton). They didn't conspire to win a fair fiight. They conspired to lie about Sanders and mislead voters, members of their own party.

I'm lumping them all together. The DNC ones (inc Sanders bashing) and the podesta.

Another thing snowden said is he was happy with the response to his leak, but he wishes he had done it during an election cycle to maximise the impact. Certainly true of the DNC emails, which would have been unremarkable (though newsworthy) at any other time.

Watched a snowden doc last night where his dad said the CIA offered to fly him to Hong Kong to see his son, and they would do a medical check on him if they met on the plane, just to make sure he was OK These desperate fuckwits will try owt I think. Not saying it's bound to be something, but could well believe it is.

No one is sure yet. Talk is of Assange activating his dead Mams switch though http://www.usasupreme.com/assange-i-have-encrypted-file-with-a-dead-mans-switch-about-hillary-clinton/

Makes you wonder what the next revelations were going to be if they've had to put a stop to them. Probably John Kerry emails... With a UK sting...