Happy Face

Never appealed to me. Hence no further albums obtained.

I got their first album ten years back. None since like. http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/10111-fourteen-autumns-and-fifteen-winters/

2 tracks 5 starred on first listen. Good start.

The rest of you are too slow. Game is only a couple of days away and people moan if they don't get an opportunity to vote in the poll. I'll take us out of the promotion places if I have to keep it up.

Go to 29 minutes for an excellent 10 minutes on this. Harris makes his point very effectively about religion (islamism especially) being unique from other tribalism due to the belief in martyrdom being the way to paradise. I think Carlin is much more convincing in his response and multiple examples that show it's not unusual, just another variant of human behaviour through the ages.

Predictions Open NUFC to Score 0 - wykikitoon, sammynb, TheGingerQuiff 1 - The Fish, Kevin Carr's Gloves, toonotl, Anorthernsoul, @yourservice, acrossthepond 2 - Rayvin, aimaad22, StoneColdStephenIreland, ToonMarshy, SpartaFC, Tom, Howay, barnabox, rogerbarton, Holden McGroin, David Kelly, zico martin, LooneyToony, Dougle, MiddleAgeCool, ChezGiven, Ant, Happy Face 3 - ewerk, Andrew, strawb, tooner, Monkeys Fist, Jintsay, scoobos 4+ - ohhh_yeah NUFC to Concede 0 - Kevin Carr's Gloves, strawb, StoneColdStephenIreland, Howay, tooner, sammynb, toonotl, rogerbarton, David Kelly, Anorthernsoul, zico martin, @yourservice, Dougle, MiddleAgeCool, scoobos, Happy Face 1 - Rayvin, Andrew, The Fish, aimaad22, SpartaFC, Tom, barnabox, Holden McGroin, LooneyToony, Jintsay, Ant 2 - ewerk, wykikitoon, ToonMarshy, Monkeys Fist, acrossthepond, ohhh_yeah, ChezGiven 3 - 4+ - TheGingerQuiff

Because they were minging on Saturday?

Total Poster 17 ewerk 15 Happy Face 15 Kevin Carr's Gloves 13 Dougle 13 OTF 13 Tom 12 Anorthernsoul 12 Ant 11 Howay 11 Rayvin 11 strawb 11 wykikitoon 10 acrossthepond 10 MiddleAgeCool 10 scoobos 10 StoneColdStephenIreland 10 The Fish 9 @yourservice 9 barnabox 8 David Kelly 8 ohhh_yeah 8 rogerbarton 8 TheGingerQuiff 8 zico martin 7 Andrew 7 ChezGiven 7 Holden McGroin 7 Renton 7 tooner 6 Dr Gloom 6 Jintsay 6 McFaul 6 Monkeys Fist 6 ToonMarshy 5 Christmas Tree 5 gpirlo68 5 jonasjuice 5 Kitman 5 SpartaFC 5 trophyshy 4 sammynb 3 247 3 Ausman 2 vimalraja 1 AJack 1 angrysteve 1 arc89 1 Bryn5 1 Geordie1973 1 holycrosser 1 JonGoodwyn 1 Monroe Transfer 1 PaddockLad 1 The Mighty Hog

NUFC to Score 0 - wykikitoon, TheGingerQuiff, Dr Gloom, @yourservice 1 - The Fish, Kevin Carr's Gloves, Happy Face, OTF, StoneColdStephenIreland, sammynb, zico martin, LooneyToony, ChezGiven 2 - Howay, Rayvin, Monkeys Fist, ewerk, MiddleAgeCool, Tom, David Kelly, rogerbarton, strawb, tooner, Holden McGroin, Ant, aimaad22, ToonMarshy, Dougle 3 - Andrew, Anorthernsoul, Jintsay, toonotl 4+ - ohhh_yeah NUFC to Concede 0 - Howay, Kevin Carr's Gloves, ewerk, Happy Face, Tom, OTF, strawb, Holden McGroin, ohhh_yeah, toonotl, sammynb, LooneyToony, ChezGiven 1 - Andrew, Rayvin, Monkeys Fist, wykikitoon, MiddleAgeCool, David Kelly, rogerbarton, tooner, Dr Gloom, Ant, Jintsay, aimaad22, StoneColdStephenIreland, Dougle 2 - The Fish, Anorthernsoul, ToonMarshy, zico martin 3 - @yourservice 4+ - TheGingerQuiff

Like shit off a stick me leyk.

I think reducing our enemies to nothing more than mind-bent adherents of a barbaric religion which our own policies cannot sway is no better than the dehumanisation of the Boer's as "a sort of inferior strange animal" or the American Indians as "merciless Indian Savages". American Indians could be savage, and radicalised muslims can be mind-bent into barbarity, but throwing your hands up to say the savagery or barbarity is the cause of their attacks on us isn't understanding them, recognising that the savagery and barbarity on a massive scale is a human response triggered by seeing those in your 'tribe' under attack is. ISIS benefit when we expand those attacks to the entire religion.

Would love to read or listen to anything you suggest. Let me have some links.

As you've proved this morning, Greenwald would rather not concede there is any evidence of his fallibility. If I wanted a balanced view I'd prefer to have him and one of his strongest critics (Harris?) to come to dinner. You think I should listen to only what Greenwald/ISIS wants us to think of himself/themselves?

You're wrong about me..

Greenwald has spent the week hammering the Washington post for their "fake news" on the McCarthyite blacklist and their refusal to recognise it, but hasn't hinted that he himself might have been trolled into disseminating fake news.

But you know Isis don't resource attacks in the west. They inspire them. Their resources are spent on forces in areas they control, ammunition and then propaganda. AQ never had those expenses and invested in training terrorists and funding cells.

Yeah, I think Rayvin asked you and Renton to respond with something other than indignation.

I take less of that as criticism than you would hope. You're wrong, I will admit I am wrong when someone or some thing changes my mind. I coincidentally apologised on Newcastle Online just this morning for something it's become clear I got wrong years back. I also remember a conversation I had with CT on here about how much I had learned from being a member on here. Reading up on stuff I knew nothing about so I could form an opinion then debating it to death with anyone willing. It's Leazesesque to sneer at someone who will go and read something to inform his point of view. Of course I don't "understand" what I'm talking about, scholars can spend entire careers on this stuff and still fundamentally disagree. Anyone who thinks there's an obtainable and absolute truth which they've already got worked out are fooling themselves. Even while you're not partaking in the debate and only engaging in ad hominem attacks, I'm still enjoying reading more articles and reports on the subject that I think add to my limited understanding of the situation so I appreciate you having another pop. I don't present articles and stats and claim they make me smart. I link to what other people who seem smart to me have said which I can't argue with and would invite anyone else to refute or reframe from another angle.

The researchers give you that benefit of the doubt. ANY lone wolf attack claimed by ISIS or Al-Qaeda is attributed to Islamic fundamentalism rather than political motivations. Yet still, only a small percentage more of the total are attributed to that than other racial and religious supremacists. In the most recent 3 years from 2012-2014 other religions were responsible for more lone wolf attacks in the west than islamic fundamentalists. Only in 2010 did they come out on top in an 8 year stretch. I imagine there will be another peak in the next report given the events of the last couple of years. But I think this suggests that Islam is not a supremely evil religion, unique for it's violence. Also found this passage interesting...

Even with all that, I'm not sure he'd quite be good to go if he only had a normal hot water tap like. His game just wouldn't be changed.

Never been to Cal's but mentioned in the Lunch thread before, Elder & Wolf on Whitley Road has one of them ovens and does some lush Pizza's and flat bread based bait. Been a couple of times now and happy with both servings.

Love the "wind the bobbin up" lyrics it opens with.

Sorry to be indecent, I make plenty similar typos, but THAT's dreadful timing for one

Common courtesy you cunt! Will you bow to it?

@@Ant will have to sanction this. He's all about protecting the children now.