Happy Face
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Startlingly little coverage of the DNC chair vote happening this weekend. The 4 political stories on the us BBC page are all about trump and include small trumps on twitter. Huge decision being made as to whether the Democrats will embrace a more liberal agenda or double down on the centrist policy that led to candidate Clinton. Fingers crossed for Ellison.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/17/donald-trump-media-troll-president-supporters-journalists-lies?CMP=share_btn_tw
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Haven't watched yet. Know Scahill refused to appear on the show if he was on. People have the right to spout bollocks, but Maher had the right not to amplify his bollocks at the expense of a great journalist like Scahill.
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Likely and registered. What I said was entirely accurate and precise. You've blamed me for your lack of ability to read or understand. You're basically Donald Trump. Having had his muslim ban poorly implemented and overruled, his Obama care repeal stalled upon the realisation they have no alternative and his national security advisor forced to resign for collusion with the Russian's out of office, I thought the short lived honeymoon was pretty much over and we'd have seen his numbers harmed much more than we have...
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The ones that disapprove polled all Americans, not just voters. Look at the results where registered and likely voters are polled. That's why I specified "of voters". Not "of Americans" You're a good example of the people that can't discriminate between real and fake news.
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The dog must have ate the memo. ...ah no, it's out now... https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3467508-Trump-National-Guard-Draft-Memo.html?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP
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Lot's of interesting results at that link Plurality of voters support : the wall - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_the_Donald_Trump_administration#Construction_of_border_wall the pipeline - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_the_Donald_Trump_administration#Construction_of_Keystone_Pipeline refugee restrictions - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_the_Donald_Trump_administration#Refugee_restrictions TPP withdrawal - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_the_Donald_Trump_administration#Withdrawal_from_Trans-Pacific_Partnership Also... The administration is considered truthful by 49 percent of registered voters and untruthful by 48 percent. But the news media is less trusted than the administration, with 53 percent calling it untruthful and just 39 percent finding it honest. http://legalinsurrection.com/2017/02/poll-trump-administration-more-trustworthy-than-media/
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Remarkably, whatever the result of the popular vote last year, majorities and pluralities of voters in almost every poll taken approve of the job Trump has been doing since in office. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_the_Donald_Trump_administration#2017
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AP claims they have a memo that says Trump considering mobilising the national guard to round up illegal immigrants https://apnews.com/5508111d59554a33be8001bdac4ef830?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP AP chooses not to actually publish said memo for some undisclosed reason. Catnip to Trump supporters and helps his anti media agenda. You'd hope they're waiting for the denial (which Spicer has already issued) before releasing. Not sure Spicer would deny if that were the case though. We'll see.
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On the coup question, I think he's on shaky ground. Why does he question the leaks that could oust a president in one case (Trump), but fully endorse the leaks of Snowden, Manning, Clinton emails, etc. All cases involve people with access to information they feel would be in the public good and making that call themselves. I think it just about holds water because the difference is that the Flynn leak is one that empowers the agencies that held the information and is a strategic choice to achieve their policicsal aims, whereas in all those other cases the leakers were working in opposition to the organisation they leaked from in order to ensure people knew about their wrong doing, rather than some other organisation which they opposed. For me , the Flynn leak is valuable and the perpetrator of it should not be crminalised any more than I think Snowden or Manning should have, but the repsonse should not be to cheer it and encourage more. Intelligence services invested with great secret powers using them to work against the government is not where a society should go. It seems to me that if you support this because it's important to embarrass Trump at any cost, then we lose the one thing that is a requirement of a healthy democracy, a strong opposition that reflects the opposition of society to the actions of power holders. If the reaction to the shambles of a campaign that Clinton and the democrats ran is not to change the democratic platform in any way, but to persist with the corporate centre right stance and just get the intelligence agencies to bring down anyone that challenges that orthodoxy, then you're fermenting further disquiet throughout the populace.
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You and I agree on the attacks. As I said earlier... Where we disagree is that it will lose him support. I thought you were framing it as a tactical mistake if he wants to stay in power. It was a pillar of his election that the "dishonest media" were lying to his voters and that they should listen to him and infowars and breitbart instead. Voters that agree with him about muslims and mexicans and a wall and moving jobs overseas are inclined to agree that a media class who fully supported Clinton in opposition to those questions do not represent them and are peddling misinformation. Even as the media exposed his lies with evidence, his supporters didn't care. A bit like arguing on here, evidence is irrelevant when views are entrenched
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I mean how does it harm Trump? It's not a mistake for him personally if he can lump in factual criticism with fake news and blur the lines between them. It helps him.
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If they're not the king makers why is it dangerous to attack them. Trump supporters despise the "lame steam' media. They'll love it. Hence the questionnaire I linked to earlier.
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Who steps in? Is Pence better? Do they all get ousted?Ryan, Christie, Rubio, Cruz?
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The media won't oust him, the NSA will, with their (legal) wiretaps like the one that got Flynn. The media will continue to act as stenographers rather than do any actual investigative journalism. If you bought into the theory Russia or hackers swung the election, is it better to have the dark state subverting democracy in America?
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He's played up the rhetoric he has in order to win the states he could. Changing rhetoric now would lose him those states and not gain him any support whatsoever from his critics. Serving the interests of the wealthy now he's in must be counterbalanced by siding with his supporters against the media, the Mexicans, the Muslims. His supporters will forgive his corporate subservience if he maintains animosity against their biggest foes. None of that is to say he's clever. He's doing what the polling people tell him to and struggling to be coherent when he does.
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https://twitter.com/JohnBrownlow/status/831873539099734019
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There's a request for donations on there too because, unbelievably, it's campaign season already.
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https://action.donaldjtrump.com/mainstream-media-accountability-survey/ Scary stuff. Participate and you legitimise the charade. Don't and the responses of his supporters will legitimise his stance. Expect lists of which media are acceptable and which aren't. What does he hope to do to resolve unfairness. Does punitive action follow, like a tyrrany? The last question is particularly abhorrent and completely reverses what is supposed to be the relationship between press and government in free society.
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I'll wear a daisy, say hello if you see me
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Common Sense this week suggests Jeffries went about it wrong. Need to keep winning debates rather than descending to Trunks level and resorting to personal insults. Get into a stupid off with Trump or his supporters and their going to outshine you.
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https://twitter.com/OneMolly/status/831839535134830593 Bless
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Soz old timer.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-14562573
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Love that video, never seen it before
