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How wude! Who's getting personal? I wasn't suggesting you're an idiot (I even clarified I wasn't in brackets). Why would I PM you? If anyone's an idiot it must be me. Everyone loves Saw. I'm the one who's missing something. 55813[/snapback] I wasn't getting personal If you're admitting you're missing the film watch it again. The acting isn't crap That's like saying Hayden Christiansen deserves an oscar for his "noooooooo" at the end of Revenge of the Sith tbh. 55817[/snapback] Eh? Are you trying to baffle me with wordplay? You suggested I was getting personal and should take it to PM (then called me a fucknugget). To verify I wasn't getting personal I said "who's getting personal?". Now you suggest I accused you of getting personal although I didn't (even though you called me a "fucknugget"!) . And that analogy has stopped me in my tracks. How can I argue with such illogicality? Let's see if I can get to the root of your point... If acting in one film is shit, shit acting in another film deserves an Oscar? That can't be it. The acting in Sith was shit but was Oscar worthy compared to Saw? That's it. Right?

You're right like. It's difficult to point out why it was poor when it was so easily forgettable. I am being unfair. I've said it was poorly lit but I saw it before it came out at the cinema (if you get my drift -nudge, nudge, , ) . So that's not really a valid complaint. The acting was terrible too, but most horrors are. I might give it another watch when I get home so I can specifically point out the stupid bits, but I've got Doictor Zhivago to watch so I probably won't.

How wude! Who's getting personal? I wasn't suggesting you're an idiot (I even clarified I wasn't in brackets). Why would I PM you? If anyone's an idiot it must be me. Everyone loves Saw. I'm the one who's missing something.

If I own an album how am I offering someone elses product? It's mine. If I buy a jar of Dolmio and give it to my mate, I don't get a load of Italians badgering me about the intellectual copyright of their ingredients.

Eh? If you valued life you'd kill some random bloke who as far as you know might help you go on living? The wink doesn't doesn't reduce the idiocy of such a notion (the film makers idiocy that is, not yours). And if he killed this Adam fella he'd have got a ten stretch. How would that make him value life more? I'm arguing plot points over a film I haven't seen for years and had little interest in on that single viewing so forgive me if I've failed to recognise any of it's subtle points.

Yeah, I enjoyed Dark Water. Both films have a constant feeling of dread about them, but nothing in Dark Water had me shitting my pants like when she reaches the telly screen in The Ring.

Hang on. People who've become severeley disfigured crawling through forty odd foot of barbed wire or sawing off their own limbs are going to enjoy life more for having 'won the game'? He shows life shouldn't be abused by....er...abusing life? If they're likely to go on living, why do so few survive? Or do you mean people reading it in the papers or us watching the film will value life more for having seen it? In which case you're probably right, I know that spending time doing anything other than watching Saw is time well spent. Now I get it.

You sir are mistaken if you think Saw was not a good film. Especially ebaring in mind they spent what little money they had getting Danny Glover and Cary Ewes (sp?) (and Ken Leung ). Saw reminded me of a film called Adaptation. In that, a character called Donald is an aspiring screenwriter. He goes to seminars and reads books on how to write a script. In the end his idea is that he'll do a serial killer film called "The 3". In it a serial killer is after a girl, and a hard nosed cop is trying to catch the killer but the twist is that they're all the same person. They get involved in horse back chases and everything but they're the same person all along. It mocks how idiotic most American 'thrillers' are, but Saw was even more stupid. There was no rhyme nor reason to anything that went on. It could be forgiven if it was scary but it wasn't. The scariest thing is that the cinematographer is getting work. Darkness can be used expertly in a horror (see The descent but in Saw it seems they expect you just to be scared of the dark, they don't light any of the darkness to give you an idea of what's supposed to be scary. Another 'loud bangs and quick cuts' film that left me bored I'm afraid. 55746[/snapback] Loud bangs and quick cuts? Not the sort of scare the film is going for at all. The dark isn't meant to be scary in this film, hence for a good 3/4 of it the lights are on. Just because a film is in the horror genre does that immediately require it to be full of ghosts and dark corners and the odd person running around screaming? Maybe in the 50's... The first time I watched Saw, it was late, I'd had a chinese and was ready for a scary film to relax to, what I got was a gripping film which bloody spooked the crap outta me! The plot was very well-written, and did you see the twist at the end coming? Like bugger you did. No rhyme nor reaosn to what was going on? Were you paying attention? If you were you'd see how the story linked together, and whilst I'll admit is was a bit far-fetched how Zapp's game came about (you have a slow-acting poison in your system ) but that was my only gripe. Which I formed after the 3rd play-through. But you didn't like it, fair enough, does that really mean it wasn't a good movie? However coming out and calling it 'more stupid' than 'most idiot american thrillers' is bullshit imo. I've just remembered that James Wan didn't direct Saw 2, which was a bit weird since he and Leigh Whannel were the ones who came up with Saw (Wan came up with the idea of two blokes chained in a room and Whannel got his head down and wrote the script). Personally I thought Wan did a good job for the 1st one but it's a matter of opinion I suppose. SOme will prefer the 1st, others the 2nd. 55774[/snapback] Perhaps it went over my head. I'd gladly admit that, if you can explain to me why he was killing them as he was. Just because you don't see a twist, doesn't make it good. The twist at the end of Gozu will not have been expected by a living soul, but it doesn't provide greater depth to what previously occured.

I Love Chuck Palahniuk. I think I've read all his books except the last one. David Fincher did an excellent job in filming Fight Club too. The split personality idea worked there and the second reading/viewing was even better than the first because certain lines had more resonance when you knew the ending. "The 3" is a joke from Adaptation. If the killer, victim and cop are all the same person why should we care about any of them? It's just a loon having insane thoughts with no impact on anyone else. The tenuosity of the link is not in question, I only made it because it comments on the stupidity of Hollywood scripts. I also Love Bad Taste, not sure Peter Jackson would thank you for saying his glossy 5 year labour of love wasn't up to the standard of his budget horror debut though. You want to buy todays Sunday Times. There's an interview with Sir Ranulph Fiennes where he explains how he cut off his own fingers because he got sick of waiting for his appointment. He just went to the hut and took a hacksaw to them. Also tells how his gangrenous toe fell off in the bath. He left it by the taps for his wife to find . I saw it ages ago so I can't remember it well but from what I recollect, my main thought was "what was the point?" Why is he killing them and why is he doing it in such a contrived and meticulous fashion? That wouldn't be a problem if it was a slasher flick a'la Texas Chainsaw massacre, but they sold it as the best thriller since Se7en. I'm sorry but Se7en beautifully tied itself up with a twist that cleverly wove itself into the killers grand vision and managed to totally shock you. As far as I recall, the main shock at the end of Saw was that he was able to lie still for a few hours. I mentioned The Descent which I loved, the Top Horror Thread includes posts where I mention The Shining, Audition and The Ring (original)

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You sir are mistaken if you think Saw was not a good film. Especially ebaring in mind they spent what little money they had getting Danny Glover and Cary Ewes (sp?) (and Ken Leung ). Saw reminded me of a film called Adaptation. In that, a character called Donald is an aspiring screenwriter. He goes to seminars and reads books on how to write a script. In the end his idea is that he'll do a serial killer film called "The 3". In it a serial killer is after a girl, and a hard nosed cop is trying to catch the killer but the twist is that they're all the same person. They get involved in horse back chases and everything but they're the same person all along. It mocks how idiotic most American 'thrillers' are, but Saw was even more stupid. There was no rhyme nor reason to anything that went on. It could be forgiven if it was scary but it wasn't. The scariest thing is that the cinematographer is getting work. Darkness can be used expertly in a horror (see The descent but in Saw it seems they expect you just to be scared of the dark, they don't light any of the darkness to give you an idea of what's supposed to be scary. Another 'loud bangs and quick cuts' film that left me bored I'm afraid.

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I've not seen it, but if it's half as good as the first one then it's absoloutley shit.

I'm getting seriously worried about the number of classic films left for me to watch. Soon I'll have to rely on what's currently being released and I'll get very depressed. I crossed a few alleged classics off the list this week and there's a couple I'd agree should be labelled as such. Casablanca I Love Ingrid Bergman. She's brilliant in Spellbound and (moreso) Notorious, but in Casablanca she's just glorious. She gets dragged along without a say in anything looking down doefully like a prototype Princess Di and examining every corner of humphrey Bogarts face. I love her. It's strange that I believed that the Nazi's would gladly watch a French freedom fighter go about his business of escaping when they had every opportunity to capture/kill him but willful suspension of disbelief is a pre-requisite in enjoying the film. The Right Stuff Why wasn't I informed that this would be possibly one of the 10 greatest films I'd have ever seen? IMDB haven't even got it in the top 250! Expecting a heavy drama, I was knocked for 6 by the middle hour which was one of the funniest hours of non-comedy film I've seen. The fact that it's at the expense of the astronauts it's about doesn't at all diminish the emotional impact of the last hour though. The other 'classics' I watched that I wouldn't class as such were: The Great Dictator which was occasionally amusing but nowhere near the standards Chaplin set earlier with The Kid, The Circus, The Gold Rush etc. Red Beard which was brilliant but I've not seen a Kurosawa film that wasn't so I expected nothing less. Moby Dick The John Huston one with Gregory Peck. It was hammed up to the ying yang but still quite entertaining. One last film I saw this week which it's never been suggested is a classic was Palindromes. I'm a big fan of Todd Solondz and I really enjoyed this. I can see why other people might not like it but for me using 8 different actors/actresses for the lead role worked. The performances were perfectly pitched for each scene the selected actor was playing. It might have been distasteful to have an 8 year old want to be a mother (but surely most do) or to have a 14 year old act on that desire (which admittedly most don't), and it's definately in poor taste to portray paedophiles in a sympathetic light (as he also does in happiness), but he gives both sides of the abortion debate a good slagging off which I think they deserve and it was interesting to see him come out at the end and defend himself against his critics.

1.4 Astra Crashed it into the back of an old dear in the Swan House underpass \o/

Shuffle Songs... The Game - Hate It Or Love It Eels - Rags to Rags Goldie Lookin Chain - Thru Space and Time Velvet Revolver - Dirty Little Thing (sounds just like Aerosmith did in the 70's) Weezer - Holiday

Like the Darkness.

If I had to listen to either The Darkness or ANY of the top 10 selling acts of the 21st century (thread)I'd go for the Darkness.

Radio 1 play unsigned bands? I suppose the Peelster was still going then.

Their first album was lush. Proper 80's rock with tongue slightly in cheek. Since then they've become a total joke which is disappointing. Rather than catering to the rock fans who could put up with the odd joke, they've took the piss out of themselves in the quest for immediate popularity. If they want longevity, they've gone the wrong way about it. Permission to Land had some brilliant rock songs (Black Shuck, Givin' Up, Stuck In a Rut) but the embarrasment of their christmas single ("Come on kids" ) was a big let down. I hope the new album sticks to rock with the odd joke rather than being a novelty record. Of course most people who liked them at the time have now decided they're not cool so it's doomed to failure no matter how good it is. Edit: The fact that the bass player has gone suggests he wasn't happy with the direction and the band are going in the direction of the Telletubbies. Shame.

I've only had one listen to CD1 and the tunes haven't grabbed me so far but I've been grinning from ear to ear on the bus. On Pi she recites pi to a lot of decimal places and in another song she sings about the washing "sloshy, sloshy, sloshy, sloshy Get that dirty shirty clean, sloshy, sloshy, sloshy, sloshy make those cuffs and collars gleam" She's as mad as chopsticks.

You're dead inside. OPINION. 54271[/snapback] Maybe so, but at least my thread has garnered a reply. Which is more than can be said for your recent efforts until I resurrected them for you. 54273[/snapback] You're right like. I envy your quality thread creating black heart. 54278[/snapback] Seriously though, at 6 foot 5, you must look especially retarded on the dancefloor. 54288[/snapback] Do you keep a dossier on members or something? Jesus! I lord it over all on the dancefloor. My monkey is as graceful as Carlton Palmer and my mashed potato has women swooning.

You're dead inside. OPINION. 54271[/snapback] Maybe so, but at least my thread has garnered a reply. Which is more than can be said for your recent efforts until I resurrected them for you. 54273[/snapback] You're right like. I envy your quality thread creating black heart.

You're dead inside. OPINION.

Just had an email off a mate with spare tickets. Not sure if I can be arsed though.