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Sorry, but that's just bollocks. I've had a look at a lot of older threads yesterday and there were many who wanted him full time last time (ahead of Roeder) - myself included. I've looked too. Luckyluke stood out as his biggest fan, sorry if you were too. But I've linked to the comments from several people who want him now, but didn't then. Who said all the same things about Roeder as people are saying about BIG Sam now. It's fine that people want a different manager for the different situation we're in (though I think we're very similarly positioned, certainly in terms of league placing and perhaps better off having the summer as we do for someone new to come in and sort things out) but I don't like Shepherd being able to say he gave the fans what they want...again, when most fans want his head on a stick. Do we as fans want Allardyce because he's the best man for the job or because Shepherd could do a lot worse and has never displayed an ability to do any better? Accepeting that's the case is letting Shepherd off the hook IMO. Look at the Sven/Houllier/Allardyce poll.

Apart from the stuff I've been saying for 4 days about Bolton having a worse defence than us, how if they lost their main striker for the season they'd have scored less goals than us (hypothetical as it is you can't say Owen wouldn't have made a difference this year), how in 7 years he's managed to finish just one position higher than Roeder did last year but twice finished lower than Roeder did this year. Ok then. I reckon Bolton's defence is still better than ours this season. I bet it has cost them less games despite them conceding more in the league. Could you see them losing 5-0 at home to Birmingham for example? The striker thing is hypothetical (as you say) but it's a fair point. However, the other comparisons are utterly ridiculous. You point to one part of a season under Roeder (i.e. last year) and compare that against what Allardyce has done. What about Roeder's record at other clubs? And here this season - does that not count? Newcastle is probably the best managerial job Roeder has done in terms of assessing it did overall and in his one full season (almost) we're on course for what is statistically our worst in the Premiership. Says it all, he's a shit manager who's done a poor job everywhere he's been. More or less the opposite of what Allardyce has done. Points taken. Maybe I am pushing things with respect to Allardyce being as bad as Roeder, but I think too many people are looking forward to the announcement of "Not Roeder", like people were happy with "Not Souness" at the time. The gleeeful acceptance of Allardyce is shocking when no-one (apart from Luckyluke) wanted him before and Shepherd should be lambasted for lowering expectations to such a degree. With respect to your bet, there's no need, I'm sure there poor defending cost them less games, it patently has…but that’s not because their defence is better, but because they’ve been able to score more goals. We’ve let in fewer goals so our defence has performed better than theirs; they’ve scored more goals so their attack has performed better than our (emaciated) forward line.

Apart from the stuff I've been saying for 4 days about Bolton having a worse defence than us, how if they lost their main striker for the season they'd have scored less goals than us (hypothetical as it is you can't say Owen wouldn't have made a difference this year), how in 7 years he's managed to finish just one position higher than Roeder did last year but twice finished lower than Roeder did this year.

That square peg doesn't fit that round hole, let's try this triangular one. Nah, just as well leaving the square one tbh. Another question dodged there, HF. See the bold bit. That's where I stand. Having gotten us in this position, if possible I'd like to see Shepherd offer Sven or Houllier double what he's offering Sam, or even Ranieri (one and a half times), is that feasible? Maybe, maybe not, but I'm not going to start enjoying trifle because it's the only thing in the fridge.

That square peg doesn't fit that round hole, let's try this triangular one. Nah, just as well leaving the square one tbh.

Well cheers Skol, let's take a look at what an improvement people thought Roeder was at the time... http://www.toontastic.net/forum/index.php?...ic=3958&hl= Holy shit!! Sounds VERY similar to what's being said about Allardyce now tbh. Time will tell. Thanks for resorting to insult though.

Did you turn your sense of humour off this morning? Turned his fucking brain off a LONG time ago. We sacked Roeder because he is a complete sack of shit! No need for that tbh. I've not abused anyone for their opinion, just expressed my own along with reasons. You mightn't agree at the moment (though you seemed to have a similar opinion of Allardyce a year or two back). It's like sacking Roeder (which might have been worth celebrating because he was a sack of shit) and then giving him the job back.

Did you turn your sense of humour off this morning? I've not cracked a smile since the bookies closed the book on him.

We sack Roeder on recent form. His recent form is better than Allardyce's. But it's sour grapes and stupidity from those fans(of either side) who aren't so sure about "BIG SAM".

So what did you mean when you hoped he got the England job "for Newcastle's sake" at the time we were looking for a Souness replacement?

I did that because it takes 20 seconds to work out, even if I was very bored I wouldn’t arse myself to split it into league and cup because I’d have to go through the results myself. It also takes 20 seconds to work out what games Anelka won for Bolton. Football doesn't work like that, but I thought it might be interesting to see, seeing as I believe Michael Owen would be worth more poionts to any team than Anelka.

I don't like seeing my money wasted on paying off a year of his contract and 3 years of Allardyces when I think they are about evenly matched. It's not that I like Roeder any more, I've said if Allardyce had replaced Souness and the debate was now "Shall we get Roeder?" I'd be saying no to that too. If either moves costs us nothing I'll be less against it, but still think it's optimistic to see him finish much higher than Roeder did last season. Evenly matched? I think Roeder's without equal in the Premiership tbh What's he lost us? 5 or 6 positions? I don't like the way he started using injuries as an excuse as things got worse, but they were a huge factor in that not insignificant drop, but Charlton and Wigan have performed far worse than they did last year, without that excuse. Ahhh silly me 5 or 6 positions lower doesnt do any harm does it? A shit run in the cups and a bumming from others teams is ok I suppose, fuck it HF youre right marra! Why are Chelsea complaining, its only 1 place lower than what they want I did say it's not insignificant.

I don't like seeing my money wasted on paying off a year of his contract and 3 years of Allardyces when I think they are about evenly matched. It's not that I like Roeder any more, I've said if Allardyce had replaced Souness and the debate was now "Shall we get Roeder?" I'd be saying no to that too. If either moves costs us nothing I'll be less against it, but still think it's optimistic to see him finish much higher than Roeder did last season. How the fuck can you say that Slug Boy & Sam are evenly matched? Bolton are 7th we are 13th. We have "better" individual players but Slug Boy hasnt got the working as a team, he hasnt got the defence communicating, he hasnt got a plan B, or even a plan fucking A. We were in the driving seat for the match as AZ and I know what a team with Big Sam would have done in that situation!! But Slug boy went into it in his own fucked up way and we got SHAFTED!! So how the fuck are we evenly matched? Yes we have had bad injuries but slug boy fails to work with the tools he has because he is a mong! I never said we're evenly matched with Bolton. I said Roeder is evenly matched with Allardyce. It's not a matter of wrong or right, it's just an opinion that Allardyce could have done no better this season with the players Roeder had. He may have performed better in the transfer window, but we'll have to see who he brings in over summer to judge that better. I've said it elsewhere, if Allardyce didn't have Anelka this year (like we never had Owen + many others) they'd currently be on 41 points.

I don't like seeing my money wasted on paying off a year of his contract and 3 years of Allardyces when I think they are about evenly matched. It's not that I like Roeder any more, I've said if Allardyce had replaced Souness and the debate was now "Shall we get Roeder?" I'd be saying no to that too. If either moves costs us nothing I'll be less against it, but still think it's optimistic to see him finish much higher than Roeder did last season. Evenly matched? I think Roeder's without equal in the Premiership tbh What's he lost us? 5 or 6 positions? I don't like the way he started using injuries as an excuse as things got worse, but they were a huge factor in that not insignificant drop, but Charlton and Wigan have performed far worse than they did last year, without that excuse.

You must be off your tits if you think Allardyce is the next Robbie Williams.

I don't like seeing my money wasted on paying off a year of his contract and 3 years of Allardyces when I think they are about evenly matched. It's not that I like Roeder any more, I've said if Allardyce had replaced Souness and the debate was now "Shall we get Roeder?" I'd be saying no to that too. If either moves costs us nothing I'll be less against it, but still think it's optimistic to see him finish much higher than Roeder did last season.

Better defensive record than Allardyce's Hard working, organised, tactically sound Bolton though.

Because? Cause above everything we need organising and a re-vamp of the set up. Something he knows a thing or two about from his time at Bolton. His attention to detail and empahsis on player development and motivation and his overall psychological approach (something that some of our player sorely need). IMO Sam will put this background structure in place (and it wil take 2 seasons at least to start showing) and this will be the platform to his legacy. It is exactly what we need. For now the system of play and purchases and other 'on field' stuff although important ( and will be communicated to the side) is not quite as critical as making the base right to take us forward. That is why I feel at this moment he is a godsend. Yeah, but it took him some time. As I say, he finished 16th and 17th in the league. The "Geordie faithful" won't stand for that. We'll have him booed out of the job by Christmas.

After the first game of next season Michael Owen will have averaged one manager in every 4 games for Newcastle. EDIT: assuming of course he plays.....for us.

Souness was never actually a good manager though, that is the difference Neither is Allardyce tbh. His team conceded more than Newcastle this year....and look at our defence. I wonder if you ever watched us when Keegan was in charge, we nearly won the league in a season and conceded loads yet played quite well and there was a plan B & even C As someone says, we never actually conceded that many, not as many as Roeder's (bare bones) team, and nowhere near as many as Allardyce's this season. Worst goal difference in the top half Bolton. One of only 2 teams whose GD is negative. Without Owen we've scored 37, without Anelka's goals they'd be on 35. Obviously a replacement would be drafted in for Anelka and they'd have scored a few, but I think people are deluding themselves if they think the gulf between Roeder and he is that huge. Allardyce has had a good few years to sort Bolton out (which Roeder never got here) and they finished 16th and 17th before he was able to move them up to top half finishes, he'll not get that chance here. That's all well and good, goals scored not much better. goal difference negative etc etc BUT the bottom line is "the league table doesn't lie" Whether Sam is the right man, only time will tell. It will certainly be novel to be organised andhard workin. Yeah, but if Bolton didn't have Anelka and we had Owen for the full season the table would tell a different (just as true) story. Only time will tell. But it's interesting to debate nevertheless. Hope and prey he proves me as stupid as I might well be and takes us storming up to the intertoto next year.

Souness was never actually a good manager though, that is the difference Neither is Allardyce tbh. His team conceded more than Newcastle this year....and look at our defence. I wonder if you ever watched us when Keegan was in charge, we nearly won the league in a season and conceded loads yet played quite well and there was a plan B & even C As someone says, we never actually conceded that many, not as many as Roeder's (bare bones) team, and nowhere near as many as Allardyce's this season. Worst goal difference in the top half Bolton. One of only 2 teams whose GD is negative. Without Owen we've scored 37, without Anelka's goals they'd be on 35. Obviously a replacement would be drafted in for Anelka and they'd have scored a few, but I think people are deluding themselves if they think the gulf between Roeder and he is that huge. Allardyce has had a good few years to sort Bolton out (which Roeder never got here) and they finished 16th and 17th before he was able to move them up to top half finishes, he'll not get that chance here. Give over HP you still flogging this dead horse. Please don't call my opinion a dead horse, you think aliens killed JFK. And I respect it.

Souness was never actually a good manager though, that is the difference Neither is Allardyce tbh. His team conceded more than Newcastle this year....and look at our defence. I wonder if you ever watched us when Keegan was in charge, we nearly won the league in a season and conceded loads yet played quite well and there was a plan B & even C As someone says, we never actually conceded that many, not as many as Roeder's (bare bones) team, and nowhere near as many as Allardyce's this season. Worst goal difference in the top half Bolton. One of only 2 teams whose GD is negative. Without Owen we've scored 37, without Anelka's goals they'd be on 35. Obviously a replacement would be drafted in for Anelka and they'd have scored a few, but I think people are deluding themselves if they think the gulf between Roeder and he is that huge. Allardyce has had a good few years to sort Bolton out (which Roeder never got here) and they finished 16th and 17th before he was able to move them up to top half finishes, he'll not get that chance here.

Wonder if Shepherd has asked for any assurances that "BIG SAM" won't stick to his plan of retiring in 3 years... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ers/1607374.stm Planning?

Souness was never actually a good manager though, that is the difference Neither is Allardyce tbh. His team conceded more than Newcastle this year....and look at our defence.