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Mates dad had psycholgical problems - he was a paranoid schizophrenic and as kids (about 16 ish ) we used to move his garden gnomes a few inches close to his front door every night. We lived in same street. He freaked out and ran down the street shouting 'uncle Peter' repeatedly eventually.Still not sure why he shouted that. Our mate was livid and to this day still doesnt know it was us. Guilt

I can't see why not, Arsenal don't play with a big man up front and IMO they play the best football in the league, Wenger has said before that he doesn't play a target man as players will often play long balls rather than keep it on the ground. But then again Arsenal don't have Bramble twatting it upfield every time he gets the ball. Think Bramble's days are close to numbered now, to be fair. they would be if peter ramage showed talent or steven taylor justified anywhere near the hype. Neither have

51 goals in the top flight by the age of 27 is evidence that he is a top striker ? Good player but he hasnt averaged 10 a season in the premiership yet. Watching him for newcastle confirmed he isnt a natural striker in the goalscoring sense. He has had one decent season in front of goal and that was it. Good player but not to be rated in the pantheon of strikers with that rate. Falling for the clubs propaganda is one thing. Condoning what the little prick did is quite another. Personally i still cant understand anyone backing him. Plenty of mugs do though. I would happily tolerate that shite from Keane or Shearer or Beardsley or Gazza cos they are leagues better as players. Letting a good but far from great player get away with that sells us short in my view. i rate our club higher than having to permit his nonsense. Yes we would be better with him in the team but there is so much more to it thatn that. It was a good article by the way.

Spot on

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Can you give an example, because I have you down as someone who tends to tar all interlocutors with the same brush in debates like this. I don't know exactly when I formed that opinion, so it could be innacurate, but I'm unlikely just to have invented it. It's not in specific reference to this thread and is an opinion formed mainly due to time spent on a previous forum. If you like I could dig up literally thousands of examples from over there. Just the anti-Roeder/the club in general brigade will use literally everything as ammunition against him, even if it's contradicting something they'd said themselves several months before. A good and common example would be 'we shouldn't sign [player] because he's shite,' then when some other club signs [player]: 'why didn't we sign him?' But lots of things like that. People saying they want X and Y and when it happens groan and shake their heads, tutting to themselves. Yeah but they are all 12 on that forum arent they? Its what kids do. They know everything and get nowt wrong.

watertight tbh so, you have nothing further to add that I have shown your statment that the club always buys players that are "panic buys", "pre transfer buys" and have "no planning" as utter shit of the highest order.. ... You're a clever boy aren't you, making up things, rather than have a mind of your own and base your opinion on facts. seriously. wtf are you talking about? siberski, bernard, rossi were ALL panic buys. you can repeat your bullshit defence of shepherd until you're blue in the face - and i've no doubt you will - but if you refuse to accept this FACT then you're a moron. i think even your hero shepherd would admit to it tbh. Firstly, do you think we are the only club who make last minute buys ? Yes or no ? If you think we are, you are an idiot. And, if you think there is anything wrong with last minute short term buys when you can't get the people you want, you're an idiot. And - the whole crust of this - is YOU SAID - or insinuated - ALL the clubs buys are "panic buys", "last minute transfer buys" and "lack planning". Do you accept that ALL the players I listed DO NOT fit this criteria, therefore all those players were bought at the behest and planning of the club, and were players wanted by the club ? So, which of those players were as you state, if this is what you think, and explain how. They are listed in post number 42 in this thread. Do you think a club qualifies for europe 7 times in a decade, and buys ALL these players, generating and spending the money that we have done, that " lacks foresight and planning", because if you do, then there are 87 other clubs who must be doing exactly the same, meaning for making such a stupid allegation, you are an idiot Finally, nobody is my "hero", I am just stating facts rather than come out with the misinformed shite that you do. When you have gave your view on all those players, you can also tell us who your knight in shining armour is that is going to be automatically better than what we already have, but as you think they are so shite, this should be an easy choice for you. Come on, I'm waiting. In fact I asked you this earlier in the thread as well. do you think that we planned to buy any of the players we ended up with? do you really think siberski, bernard and rossi were on the list of players that roeder gave to shepherd at the beginning of the summer? we all know that we needed defenders yet we waited until the last week of the window before approaching alledged targets woodgate and huth and ended up with siberski, bernard and rossi. why didn't we attempt to sign these players before then? doing business before the last week of the window means you can't go for a credible alternative if things go tits up ie not buying man city reserves. in my view siberski, bernard and rossi are ALL panic buys. why? because we blew a blew £15M of an extremely limited budget on two players, one of whom despite his qualities we didn't really need. who handles the transfer budget? surely the premiership's 5th greatest chairman knows that you don't sell players unless you've got better players coming in. we sold the likes of boumsong, bowyer, chopra and elliot - players who all had to go - yet somehow ended up with an inferior squad. siberski replaced bowyer, we didn't even replace boumsong and we've been kind enough to help develop a kid for man u. it's not rocket science but then we are talking about the the same man that paid blackburn compensation to make souness our manager. i'm going to sign off from this thread now but before i go, answer me - if you can - the questions that you have avoided throughout this debate. 1) were siberski, rossi and bernard panic buys? 2) are you happy with our defence, given this is probably the weakest area of the squad going into the window yes or no will do. go on i dare you. You are saying ALL our buys are panic buys, so I asked you to confirm you think that a minimum of 13 players are panic buys. You do not give a response on ANY of them. And oddly - these 3 players you DO mention, are all only recent - if they are panic buys at all - which shows what you say is shite. They only reflect our current situation, whereby whatever we did we would have had to bring in a few squad players to replace the ones that the Scottish fuckpig was responsible for us losing or else go through the season with a small squad again. This is the point that idiots like you fail to grasp, you actually think the club has a bottomless pit of money, yet even more stupidly say the very board who you want to buy all these players, are shite. The same board who are running the club with a full ground, generating one of the top spending clubs, yet you still say other clubs who can't fill smaller grounds and spend and generate less money are better boards.....keep up the digging mate, you're an absolute scream as well as being a tit. It also reflects that the club does NOT have a policy to make panic buys, and it also reflects the fact that wankers who think Shepherd is the manager, can't possibly be the manager either or all our ex managers would all have been making panic buys ..... I realise this won't fit your "opinions", but that is why your opinions are stupid and shite, because they are not based on facts. Shame Meenzer's post didn't make you see what crap you are posting. 5th best opinions on here tbh I was beginning to think you were one of the few sensible ones on here with a brain Agree we dont always panic buy Leazes but can you honestly say we planned Sibierski and Rossi in the summer? i honestly cant. woodgate and Jenas were very well timed additions. As were Bellamy, Robert and Elliott - equally all were in positions we needed covering. Cant say we have don that this year for whatever reason. Maybe it is financial - first time i have heard oliver allude to meagre finances for a long time. to me if we had Owen right now and another central midfielder (as well as the obvious centre half and right back) then we would be ok - 4 players required i reckon as a minimum in jan and cant see it happening.

watertight tbh so, you have nothing further to add that I have shown your statment that the club always buys players that are "panic buys", "pre transfer buys" and have "no planning" as utter shit of the highest order.. ... You're a clever boy aren't you, making up things, rather than have a mind of your own and base your opinion on facts. seriously. wtf are you talking about? siberski, bernard, rossi were ALL panic buys. you can repeat your bullshit defence of shepherd until you're blue in the face - and i've no doubt you will - but if you refuse to accept this FACT then you're a moron. i think even your hero shepherd would admit to it tbh. Firstly, do you think we are the only club who make last minute buys ? Yes or no ? If you think we are, you are an idiot. And, if you think there is anything wrong with last minute short term buys when you can't get the people you want, you're an idiot. And - the whole crust of this - is YOU SAID - or insinuated - ALL the clubs buys are "panic buys", "last minute transfer buys" and "lack planning". Do you accept that ALL the players I listed DO NOT fit this criteria, therefore all those players were bought at the behest and planning of the club, and were players wanted by the club ? So, which of those players were as you state, if this is what you think, and explain how. They are listed in post number 42 in this thread. Do you think a club qualifies for europe 7 times in a decade, and buys ALL these players, generating and spending the money that we have done, that " lacks foresight and planning", because if you do, then there are 87 other clubs who must be doing exactly the same, meaning for making such a stupid allegation, you are an idiot Finally, nobody is my "hero", I am just stating facts rather than come out with the misinformed shite that you do. When you have gave your view on all those players, you can also tell us who your knight in shining armour is that is going to be automatically better than what we already have, but as you think they are so shite, this should be an easy choice for you. Come on, I'm waiting. In fact I asked you this earlier in the thread as well. do you think that we planned to buy any of the players we ended up with? do you really think siberski, bernard and rossi were on the list of players that roeder gave to shepherd at the beginning of the summer? we all know that we needed defenders yet we waited until the last week of the window before approaching alledged targets woodgate and huth and ended up with siberski, bernard and rossi. why didn't we attempt to sign these players before then? doing business before the last week of the window means you can't go for a credible alternative if things go tits up ie not buying man city reserves. in my view siberski, bernard and rossi are ALL panic buys. why? because we blew a blew £15M of an extremely limited budget on two players, one of whom despite his qualities we didn't really need. who handles the transfer budget? surely the premiership's 5th greatest chairman knows that you don't sell players unless you've got better players coming in. we sold the likes of boumsong, bowyer, chopra and elliot - players who all had to go - yet somehow ended up with an inferior squad. siberski replaced bowyer, we didn't even replace boumsong and we've been kind enough to help develop a kid for man u. it's not rocket science but then we are talking about the the same man that paid blackburn compensation to make souness our manager. i'm going to sign off from this thread now but before i go, answer me - if you can - the questions that you have avoided throughout this debate. 1) were siberski, rossi and bernard panic buys? 2) are you happy with our defence, given this is probably the weakest area of the squad going into the window yes or no will do. go on i dare you. You are saying ALL our buys are panic buys, so I asked you to confirm you think that a minimum of 13 players are panic buys. You do not give a response on ANY of them. And oddly - these 3 players you DO mention, are all only recent - if they are panic buys at all - which shows what you say is shite. They only reflect our current situation, whereby whatever we did we would have had to bring in a few squad players to replace the ones that the Scottish fuckpig was responsible for us losing or else go through the season with a small squad again. This is the point that idiots like you fail to grasp, you actually think the club has a bottomless pit of money, yet even more stupidly say the very board who you want to buy all these players, are shite. The same board who are running the club with a full ground, generating one of the top spending clubs, yet you still say other clubs who can't fill smaller grounds and spend and generate less money are better boards.....keep up the digging mate, you're an absolute scream as well as being a tit. It also reflects that the club does NOT have a policy to make panic buys, and it also reflects the fact that wankers who think Shepherd is the manager, can't possibly be the manager either or all our ex managers would all have been making panic buys ..... I realise this won't fit your "opinions", but that is why your opinions are stupid and shite, because they are not based on facts. Shame Meenzer's post didn't make you see what crap you are posting. 5th best opinions on here tbh

Great turn and strike but more of a goal of the month contender than greatest goal ever contender. Mebbies it was his first ever football match Greatest goal ever was Shearers volley against Everton. Probably the best I've seen in the flesh and the view I had of it really did it justice. Not the best ever though. Peter Beardsleys against Portsmouth is best i have seen i think. At home its probably Petes against Brighton.

the 5th best chairman wouldnt let him come back apparently.

I'd rather have Gary Rowell, Wayne Entwistle and Kevin Phillips in black and white before that little welsh (deliberately lower case) tosser.

They are just slags and deserve a good kicking (apparently) Carr would indeed lace the fuck out of them. Be good to watch though.

Sounded entirely plausible given the way he has gone about his life really.Everyone knows Bellamy loves us though He is odious and Terry mac has far more affinity for the club than that little prick ever will. Know which one was the better player as well and it wasnt the runted little cock who does what is best for himself (in the ever so self-important third person) Just another episode in his own little dream land....... Never known so much bollocks spouted about one player by fans who see him as the sole reason we did well. Nowt to do with Alan Shearer scoring another 20+ or Gary Speed etc. Scores loads of goals though - everyone tells me he does anyway. 51 in his top flight pro career so far by the age of 27. Good player but enormously overrated by too many. Couldnt kick the likes of Peter Beardsleys arse. Will get nowt but antipathy from me and judging by last night, many others will give him far more than that. Rightly so.

Milner was and is shite.

Today? As long as player like him pulls a black and white shirt on at a fairly regular occurence, we won't achieve anything. Opitomises averageness. Total shit. Aye, had a decent game at West Ham, but it should be no surprise that he's been shite tonight. Rossi on for Martins. Would love him to score - getting booed, the sad Scouse twats. Ramage is shocking. Worst defender since Ozzies days. At least the lazy bastards from Spain, France etc had some talent...

What the fuck is a bamp? A Birkenhead tramp...

Referee has missed 2 blatant penalties. Tosser. Not keen on scousers. Or Bellamy the hunchbacked little cock. Ran around like a cunt when they scored. Loves us though

Babayaro has been fine. Peter Ramage looks well dodgy to me though. Shame cos he has everything a centre half needs except pace, strength, positioning, aerial ability and a first touch.

Aye cheers Fordy. good pass from alonso but very cheap from our perspective.

PM away! yes pm me away please

Nah, it's on the Arabian Channel and on in a canny few pubs though. What is the Arabian Channel?

watertight tbh so, you have nothing further to add that I have shown your statment that the club always buys players that are "panic buys", "pre transfer buys" and have "no planning" as utter shit of the highest order.. ... You're a clever boy aren't you, making up things, rather than have a mind of your own and base your opinion on facts. seriously. wtf are you talking about? siberski, bernard, rossi were ALL panic buys. you can repeat your bullshit defence of shepherd until you're blue in the face - and i've no doubt you will - but if you refuse to accept this FACT then you're a moron. i think even your hero shepherd would admit to it tbh. Firstly, do you think we are the only club who make last minute buys ? Yes or no ? If you think we are, you are an idiot. And, if you think there is anything wrong with last minute short term buys when you can't get the people you want, you're an idiot. And - the whole crust of this - is YOU SAID - or insinuated - ALL the clubs buys are "panic buys", "last minute transfer buys" and "lack planning". Do you accept that ALL the players I listed DO NOT fit this criteria, therefore all those players were bought at the behest and planning of the club, and were players wanted by the club ? So, which of those players were as you state, if this is what you think, and explain how. They are listed in post number 42 in this thread. Do you think a club qualifies for europe 7 times in a decade, and buys ALL these players, generating and spending the money that we have done, that " lacks foresight and planning", because if you do, then there are 87 other clubs who must be doing exactly the same, meaning for making such a stupid allegation, you are an idiot Finally, nobody is my "hero", I am just stating facts rather than come out with the misinformed shite that you do. When you have gave your view on all those players, you can also tell us who your knight in shining armour is that is going to be automatically better than what we already have, but as you think they are so shite, this should be an easy choice for you. Come on, I'm waiting. In fact I asked you this earlier in the thread as well. do you think that we planned to buy any of the players we ended up with? do you really think siberski, bernard and rossi were on the list of players that roeder gave to shepherd at the beginning of the summer? we all know that we needed defenders yet we waited until the last week of the window before approaching alledged targets woodgate and huth and ended up with siberski, bernard and rossi. why didn't we attempt to sign these players before then? doing business before the last week of the window means you can't go for a credible alternative if things go tits up ie not buying man city reserves. in my view siberski, bernard and rossi are ALL panic buys. why? because we blew a blew £15M of an extremely limited budget on two players, one of whom despite his qualities we didn't really need. who handles the transfer budget? surely the premiership's 5th greatest chairman knows that you don't sell players unless you've got better players coming in. we sold the likes of boumsong, bowyer, chopra and elliot - players who all had to go - yet somehow ended up with an inferior squad. siberski replaced bowyer, we didn't even replace boumsong and we've been kind enough to help develop a kid for man u. it's not rocket science but then we are talking about the the same man that paid blackburn compensation to make souness our manager. i'm going to sign off from this thread now but before i go, answer me - if you can - the questions that you have avoided throughout this debate. 1) were siberski, rossi and bernard panic buys? 2) are you happy with our defence, given this is probably the weakest area of the squad going into the window yes or no will do. go on i dare you. the point is easy enough to see, which is the 3 players you mention are the only 3 you can think of, and before Souness was appointed manager Newcastle United didn't make these type of buys you accuse them of making. Out of the 5 we bought? Over 50% of our signings were panic buys then. Sorry, what point are you trying to make? Things used to be ok, so we'll live with it? I believe that Meenzer can see the point and he has stated it, the point is that Newcastle United very rarely make these type of buys they are being accused of making all the time Step forward Albert Luque. That is £9.5 million quids worth of dodgy panic buy. Boumsong was desperation - everyone knew we needed a centre half and we dived in. Another £8m - lack of planning in the summer resulted in that debacle. (If we knew woodgate was fucked as many suggest then surely we knew we needed centre half then?) Pre-Souness you can argue the above on that score and of course we havent had a transfer window (in this format) much before it so it isnt really an argument is it? (and God knows why you brought it up) We have bought shite on the eve of a season often enough though - thats just one of the reasons why we win fuck all. Any fucker who can honestly say Sibierski, Bernard and Rossi were planned, long term buys wants to worry more about Freddie Shepherd and Glen Roeder than I already do.

Didnt Shepherd take over in Dec 1996? If so that that means 2nd, 13th, 13th, 11th, 4th, 3rd, 5th, 14th, 7th Which means 83/10 = 8.3 if my maths are correct Not that the stats show anything other than us being a yo-yo club. Or that stats should be used in that way. 5 top 10 and 5 not. Sums up yo-yo club to me. No consistency and no stability in terms of results on the pitch.

Well, if you think Fred is so bad, despite 87 clubs behind us for a decade, maybe this [rich] man may be looking for a new club soon. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/tm_...-name_page.html You say "we approach the window with little or nor strategy AGAIN " .... just examine the list of players I have listed and tell yourself all those players are indicative of a club with no strategy that always make panic buys near the transfer deadline ? If you still think this, you are a bigger fuckwit than I thought. And - like I said, as he is so shit, you should be able to name plenty of people who would be able to, and want to do better, so tell us who you have in mind. Firstly though, address the facts that I have posted and get your head out of the sand. What experience do you base your "current board is shit" opinion on ? Because it certainly isn't the overall facts and the clubs standing against everyone else. Are all those player panic buys, indicating a club with no strategy or not ? If you think so, please tell us how ? For the record, I have said the club needed forwards. The manager decided to spend his budget on 2 quality forwards ? What does that have to do with the board. This is Roeders choice, and my opinion is that if they produce the goods, he has got it spot on. A defender can come next. It is pointless you saying "are you happy with the defence" because if he had bought one forward and one defender, you would be saying "are you happy with Ameobi, Luque and one other player as the forwards" Damned whatever they do, to the fuckwits with zero grasp of reality. Leazes, we are NOT the 5th most successful side of the last decade. Its a statistical nonsense the way you have calculated that. Teams who have finished in that top 5 in that time have also won trophies something we show little sign of. We have managed more time out of the top 5 than in it. We have finished 11th or lower of 5 occasions. It shows we yo-yo around the league. No stability. What have the board fucked up on? We have had ONE decent manager who managed 3 top 5 finishes. We have had 3 who didnt. We have had 3 who fucked up and 1 who looks like he might. (Dalglish got Keegans team to 2nd but I have given him credit for it - his own was a shambles) Thus, that is 3 poor managers who didnt understand the club, the area or how to organise a successful team in black and white. Employed by whom? Responsibility for that is whos? Irrespective of their backgrounds the responsibility for that failure is the boards. Equally we dont need to much foresight to see where Glen Roeder will end up do we? Top 5 or sacked? Know where my money is and guess I am not alone on that score. Shep has done little better than OK given the fact he took over a club that had finished 2nd in the league. Statistically I can prove we have never regained that position under his FULL control since. (Note he took over half way through the last time we finished second). Once the dust settled we went from one fuck up to the next until 2001-2. From 2003-4 we have gone back to fucking up. Not the greatest record is it given what he was dealt when he took over? We deserve better. Micky Quinn was better than Frank Pingel but it didnt stop me wishing for Alan Shearer. Eventually we got him.

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