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51 goals in the top flight by the age of 27 is evidence that he is a top striker ? Good player but he hasnt averaged 10 a season in the premiership yet. Watching him for newcastle confirmed he isnt a natural striker in the goalscoring sense. He has had one decent season in front of goal and that was it. Good player but not to be rated in the pantheon of strikers with that rate. Falling for the clubs propaganda is one thing. Condoning what the little prick did is quite another. Personally i still cant understand anyone backing him. Plenty of mugs do though. I would happily tolerate that shite from Keane or Shearer or Beardsley or Gazza cos they are leagues better as players. Letting a good but far from great player get away with that sells us short in my view. i rate our club higher than having to permit his nonsense. Yes we would be better with him in the team but there is so much more to it thatn that. It was a good article by the way. How many games in the top flight ? How many games when he was fit ? You are aware he played over 50 games for Newcastle between being injured at the SOS Feb 2002 until August 2004 with a knee which caused him pain and any knock on it oould have finished his career ? How many players do you think would do that ? And STILL be the clubs most effective forward, prolonging Shearers career by a few years ? Gazza he is not, but there are also not too many Gazzas knocking around ..... You seriously understimate his worth to Newcastle mate, proven by the money we have spent attempting to replace him, which we still have not done. So by the age of 27 50 goals in the big league is acceptable? As long as your injured? for a bloke who is apparently a great striker We could say he isnt a player who is a striker but the total is paltry. The most effective forward is the one who can score 200 goals in 10 years despite being injured for prolonged periods and us haing seen him for about 6 months in his prime. People like that are great players Bellamy is a good player. No better and no worse. Miles away from the Beardsley standard never mind Gazza. ..and that is without calling us a 'circus' and showing his love by waving another teams badge in front of us. Perhaps people were wrong when they suggested he loved the club. I certainly wouldnt have done it. Would you? who said he is a goalscorer ? Not me. He's a support striker, and a class one. If you are going to say "20 goals a season" tell me how many players score 20 goals a season, and how many teams have 2 players that do this. He was Shearers partner. It's all about team play and pattern. This is what he is. He isn't Shearer or Owen, he's an out and out goalscorers partner. He has scored a rough average of one in about 3, which is quite good but you don't measure players of that type in terms of a goalscoring statistic. Have we replaced him, or not ? And how much have we spent attempting to do it ? I don't know what your problem is with a Liverpool player kissing the badge of the club he plays for, its a shame Beardsley didn't do that instead of effectively kissing the other teams badge. And you still don't give him credit for giving everything for the club despite having an injury, and you ought to do, considering the amount of wastes of fooking space we have had over the years. It was kissing that badge uin front of out fans. Does that show love? If it had been the situation where Alan Shearer ran to the Blackburn fans at the Gallowgate celebrating then fair enough. It was very very different. For a start he wasnt the one who scored (unsurprisingly) and he didnt need to provoke them did he? You think he showed his love for the team kissing their badge in front of our fans? Tell you what, wait until he comes back to SJP and see how many show their appreciation then. He will get worse than Andy Cole who did more for this club and in my view was a better player (and getting a roar when he scored against Villa to break the record from the crowd unlike anything I have heard until Shearer broke his record ). Neither will be welcomed back. One won all sorts and carried on scoring - unfortunately he proved himself short of greatness when played alongside players like Keane and Giggs and Cantona who truly were great. I measure ability relative to what that player is capable of. He gave it all but he temperament was nowhere near right. Freddie gave him his final warning before Souness so that gives you an indication. Fred, as you note, doesnt like getting involved in team affairs. He had to get on CB's case several times. He appears to have learned a little from it but nowhere near enough. If he had then the incident he provoked at Anfield in front of the fans and Terry Mac wouldnt have occured. Both were his choice. He wasnt and never will be in the PB class, he is different to MO and AS too in terms of where he plays but even in their position all 3 are a class above in ability terms and a league apart in how they handle themselves on and off the pitch. If he had the ability of someone like Keane or Cantona (to draw parallels whith players who got away with things they shouldnt have) then I would be far more willing to forgive and forget. He is lucky to be mentioned in the same breath as all but one of the players I have mentioned. I suspect he will be injured when Liverpool arrive. We havent replaced him but many saw through him well before he left. Freddie Shpeherd for one.

I agree. I've gave up on him. Yep. Me too. Got the attributes if you ignore the fact that he never uses his head.

51 goals in the top flight by the age of 27 is evidence that he is a top striker ? Good player but he hasnt averaged 10 a season in the premiership yet. Watching him for newcastle confirmed he isnt a natural striker in the goalscoring sense. He has had one decent season in front of goal and that was it. Good player but not to be rated in the pantheon of strikers with that rate. Falling for the clubs propaganda is one thing. Condoning what the little prick did is quite another. Personally i still cant understand anyone backing him. Plenty of mugs do though. I would happily tolerate that shite from Keane or Shearer or Beardsley or Gazza cos they are leagues better as players. Letting a good but far from great player get away with that sells us short in my view. i rate our club higher than having to permit his nonsense. Yes we would be better with him in the team but there is so much more to it thatn that. It was a good article by the way. How many games in the top flight ? How many games when he was fit ? You are aware he played over 50 games for Newcastle between being injured at the SOS Feb 2002 until August 2004 with a knee which caused him pain and any knock on it oould have finished his career ? How many players do you think would do that ? And STILL be the clubs most effective forward, prolonging Shearers career by a few years ? Gazza he is not, but there are also not too many Gazzas knocking around ..... You seriously understimate his worth to Newcastle mate, proven by the money we have spent attempting to replace him, which we still have not done. So by the age of 27 50 goals in the big league is acceptable? As long as your injured? for a bloke who is apparently a great striker We could say he isnt a player who is a striker but the total is paltry. The most effective forward is the one who can score 200 goals in 10 years despite being injured for prolonged periods and us haing seen him for about 6 months in his prime. People like that are great players Bellamy is a good player. No better and no worse. Miles away from the Beardsley standard never mind Gazza. ..and that is without calling us a 'circus' and showing his love by waving another teams badge in front of us. Perhaps people were wrong when they suggested he loved the club. I certainly wouldnt have done it. Would you?

Is there an Ideal Boilers box too?

Simply because i think he will be out of the door. I wouldnt stay if i was him - would you? Not worried about him staying as cover but if he is the standard of first teamer we have then we are fucked. Would prefer we bought better but we wont. Never seen any real end product from him, no pace, crossing is patchy at best and shooting doesnt really exist. Works hard though. He is the attacking version of Aaron Hughes. Mind I suppose you shouldnt wish for things or you might just get it - we got Peter Ramage as Hughes' 'replacement'. Perhaps youre right. Still stand by the opinion he isnt good enough but decent cover as you say. Just doesnt strike me as top 10 cover never mind top 6 which is where we should be. Before this season, I'd have agreed with that, but based on his performances this season I'm afraid I have to disagree. Funily enough the Villa match this season was the last straw for me. He was appalling as were many others. We have the wrong manager, the wrong players and the wrong chairman. Its like the Revenge of the Sith.

Simply because i think he will be out of the door. I wouldnt stay if i was him - would you? Not worried about him staying as cover but if he is the standard of first teamer we have then we are fucked. Would prefer we bought better but we wont. Never seen any real end product from him, no pace, crossing is patchy at best and shooting doesnt really exist. Works hard though. He is the attacking version of Aaron Hughes. Mind I suppose you shouldnt wish for things or you might just get it - we got Peter Ramage as Hughes' 'replacement'. Perhaps youre right. Still stand by the opinion he isnt good enough but decent cover as you say. Just doesnt strike me as top 10 cover never mind top 6 which is where we should be.

To be fair Gemmill he wasnt up against much and he achieved very little. My month long sabbatical from SJP is over this weekend so unfortunately I hav to witness the useless sods in the flesh again next time. Joy! Bramble has burned his bridges. Ramage is shite Emre isnt the answer. Our 4 best players are all injured. Duff, Dyer, Solano would comfortably make that midfield on that performance. I know Milner ran about a lot but we need so much more than that. There isnt a centre half at the club I trust. Ramage and Bramble arent up to it. A for the other two, well Taylor appears to be a Craig Moore rather than Bobby Moore in the making. Says it all really. So we need two fullbacks, two centre halves, one central midfielder and Shola and Michael Owen fit sooner than is possible. Thus we need 7 players in January by my reckoning. Luque, Bramble and Ramage should never wear black and white again given the evidence of their careers so far. I would shed zero tears if Milner left as long as suitable cover is bought (which it wont be) And we are skint. What a shite season this is going to be. Prefer to sit down here in Sheffield and go to the Leadmill every other week and shag that ginger bint but duty calls. Why the fuck me fatha brain washed I have no idea but wish the old sod hadnt.

I'm not in anybodys "camp". I just see the situation as a dispute between people. are you suggesting you don't have an opinion on this other than a biased one ? So far as Fred is concerned, I really don't give a shite, I just want the best for the club and I do not believe Fred was doing anything other than backing his manager, which is what a chairman is supposed to do. Shit ones don't by the way, in case you haven't still grasped this concept. So, yes, even though I disagree with his judgement, I think he was right to back his manager. You need to learn how to seperate the difference in roles between the manager and chairman, but to be fair, you aren't the only one on here who can't do that. The simple fact is, Terry McDermott made public remarks about Craig Bellamy without even meeting the bloke so Craig Bellamy has every reason to want to take him to task for it. Do you still think we are better off without Craig Bellamy, yes or no ? And do you still think we were right to back Souness with a shitload of money to "build his team" ? Surely all McDermott was doing was backing his manager which according to you is the right thing to do. Do you think that McDermott who was seen as a link to the fans did what he did off his own back. If you do then you're worse than I thought (which would be quite difficult). So let me get this right. You think that Shepherd on realising that Souness was shite beyond belief was right in then giving millions of pounds to said crap manager to build his crap managers team. So if my son can't ride a bike it is right for me as a father to buy him the most expensive bike I can get my hands on for him to leave in the garage and never use. The bike is called the Kona Luque BTW. Or maybe get him the Raleigh Owen which is a fantastic bike more expensive than the Kona but is known to break a lot and make it unuseable. It's all right for me to do that just to make him like me is it? Now before you say exactly what we know you are going to. I am not saying we shouldn't have signed Owen. i was excited by the signing loved it. But we now have no money. We have a squad thinner than a catwalk model and about as healthy. And this is because Shepherd backed his crap managers blindly. Unless of course you believe the rumours and Shepherd with all his football knowledge (which he could right on the back of a stamp in crayon) went out and bought the players himself. In which case he is even worse than I thought (which would be impossible). And if you think I am doing this talking down to you in a patronising manner. Then I am sorry. But you're right I am. Not at all. I am saying that Shepherds judgement of Souness was shit, I always said it was a monumental error, and there was quite a few people on here who shared Shepherds judgement ie Gemmill, Craig for instance, who also said he should throw barrowloads of cash at him. I'm not arsed how you talk to me, because what you say above is just a load of shit and not even worth responding to until you start to look at facts ie 87 clubs have been below us over the last decade so there must be a lot of shit chairman out there. McDermott may have been appointed by his mate so he is welcome to lick his arse in private but not in public, that is the point. Shame Bellamy didn't smack Souness over the head with a pickaxe when he assaulted him on the training ground then McDermott could have licked his real shit off the ground. If we have averaged a placing of 8.3rd over the last decade does that mean there are 95.3 clubs in the league? Bellamy never uses a pickaxe . A chair is his weapon of choice when smacking management. He uses his hand for smacking women, the hard bastard. As for doing stuff in private rather than public I assume you feel Bellamy was out of order going on SKY then? The Bellamy arguments get weaker by the day. What did you think of the Liverpool badge kissing in front of our fans by the way? As nobody has averaged 1st over the last decade, does this mean nobody is top ? Simple fact - is only 4 teams have a higher average position, and these are the ONLY 4 teams who have qualified for europe more than us. We have qualified for europe more in the last decade than we did in the previous 30 years. I am not really bothered about what Bellamy did other than the fact he did it where it matters most, on the pitch. Yes he has a dodgy temperament, so what ? He is not the first footballer and won't be the last. He was badly managed. Have we done better without him or not ? He had a row with Carver, and Carver put it behind him like an adult, which shows he is 10 times the man than the scottish fuckpig will ever be, who targetted Bellamy for one reason and one reason only, to exert his authority upon being appointed as manager. He subbed Bellamy at Charlton when he was the best player on the pitch, and our biggest chance of winning the game, because he is a prick. As he is now a Liverpool player, what is wrong with kissing the Liverpool badge ? Do you think this is worse than waving to the Kop while wearing a Newcastle Shirt ? I know what I think is worse, yet people forgave Beardsley for waving in advance to the team he was about to sign for, and he is a local lad and a newcastle supporter to boot ..... but that is when Newcastle United were a club not really worth playing for, which the departure of 3 local lads who played for England proved..... I do hope you won't ignore these facts like some others around here ..... Show me the mathematics for this average of 5th and i might agree. Please. Batting someone over the head can never be condoned. It is the same as Souness throttling the little cock. Are you saying Bellamy waasnt adult enough to put it behind him like Carver did? there is the world of differnce in the abilities and mentalities PB and Bellamy. PB was top top class. Bellamy never will be I didn't say "an average of 5th", I said "the 5th highest average". There is a difference. As I said, nobody has averaged 1st either, because it is impossible unless they win the title for 10 years in succession. Only 4 clubs have a higher average position, the same 4 clubs are the only clubs who have qualified for europe more than us. I have posted these averages previously. Cant find them. Please show me cos i am intrigued now. 4 clubs with a higher average position? that indicates our postions which have been 2, 13, 13, 11, 11, 4, 3, 5, 14, 7. We qualified for Europe through the back door on 3 occasions rather than legitimately - i.e. by virtue of other teams success rather than our own or through the intertoto. Just curious to how you have done this. Point me to the thread Leazes man. Cheers. Nb: Would you agree with PB great NUFC player and CB as good? This was the average positions over the last 7 years up until 2005, since the 1998 Cup Final. It needs updating but as we finished a lot higher than Villa last season we are now clear of them. If you take the 2 previous years, we are also higher than them. Team total lge position / average lge position 1. Arsenal 12 / 1.7 2. Man U 13 / 1.8 3. Chelsea 27 / 3.8 4. Liverpool 30 / 4.4 5. Villa 62 / 8.7 Newcastle 61 / 8.7 7. Leeds 70 / 10.0 8. Spurs 75 / 10.7 9. Smoggies 76 / 10.8 10.Everton 87 / 12.4 how do you get 62 ???? 13, 11, 11, 4, 3, 5, 14= 62? Not sure what you have done with what numbers. Fred has been chairman since Dec 1996 so we can add a further 22 to keep it up to date??? This is a peculiar statistical method Leazes. Even if we use it can you say Fred is any better than Deadly Doug has been at Villa???? Hardly a compliment to Freddie is it??? Look at the difference between the the top fours steady positions and ours. It actually blows your argument about Fred out of the water rather than backs him. Nice to see you respond to my point about Beardsley waving to the Kop as a Newcastle player ....... I also think that it is fairly obvious that only the top 4 clubs have qualified for europe more than us during this time. Spurs for instance have only just qualified for the first time for years. And yes, I agree PB and CB are/were both great players for the club, that is all I have ever said about Bellamy because it is all that matters to me. Sorry, to even get close to suggesting Craig Bellamy was a great Newcastle player is absurd.Milburn, Shearer, Beardsley and even someone like Robert Lee can be regarded as such but putting Bellamy in that bracket is nonsense. He was good but never better than that. PB was also twice the player CB will ever be. It really is that simple. So tell me, who do you think the badge kissing CB thinks about more? Himself or the club I am told he loves? Not too many people are falling for the lines you seem to be anymore. Cant recall PB dancing in front of us when he returned with Liverpool kissing the badge, can you? Once a turd, always a turd. (him not you). Ad enormously overrated at that. Good player, nowhere near great.

I'm not in anybodys "camp". I just see the situation as a dispute between people. are you suggesting you don't have an opinion on this other than a biased one ? So far as Fred is concerned, I really don't give a shite, I just want the best for the club and I do not believe Fred was doing anything other than backing his manager, which is what a chairman is supposed to do. Shit ones don't by the way, in case you haven't still grasped this concept. So, yes, even though I disagree with his judgement, I think he was right to back his manager. You need to learn how to seperate the difference in roles between the manager and chairman, but to be fair, you aren't the only one on here who can't do that. The simple fact is, Terry McDermott made public remarks about Craig Bellamy without even meeting the bloke so Craig Bellamy has every reason to want to take him to task for it. Do you still think we are better off without Craig Bellamy, yes or no ? And do you still think we were right to back Souness with a shitload of money to "build his team" ? Surely all McDermott was doing was backing his manager which according to you is the right thing to do. Do you think that McDermott who was seen as a link to the fans did what he did off his own back. If you do then you're worse than I thought (which would be quite difficult). So let me get this right. You think that Shepherd on realising that Souness was shite beyond belief was right in then giving millions of pounds to said crap manager to build his crap managers team. So if my son can't ride a bike it is right for me as a father to buy him the most expensive bike I can get my hands on for him to leave in the garage and never use. The bike is called the Kona Luque BTW. Or maybe get him the Raleigh Owen which is a fantastic bike more expensive than the Kona but is known to break a lot and make it unuseable. It's all right for me to do that just to make him like me is it? Now before you say exactly what we know you are going to. I am not saying we shouldn't have signed Owen. i was excited by the signing loved it. But we now have no money. We have a squad thinner than a catwalk model and about as healthy. And this is because Shepherd backed his crap managers blindly. Unless of course you believe the rumours and Shepherd with all his football knowledge (which he could right on the back of a stamp in crayon) went out and bought the players himself. In which case he is even worse than I thought (which would be impossible). And if you think I am doing this talking down to you in a patronising manner. Then I am sorry. But you're right I am. Not at all. I am saying that Shepherds judgement of Souness was shit, I always said it was a monumental error, and there was quite a few people on here who shared Shepherds judgement ie Gemmill, Craig for instance, who also said he should throw barrowloads of cash at him. I'm not arsed how you talk to me, because what you say above is just a load of shit and not even worth responding to until you start to look at facts ie 87 clubs have been below us over the last decade so there must be a lot of shit chairman out there. McDermott may have been appointed by his mate so he is welcome to lick his arse in private but not in public, that is the point. Shame Bellamy didn't smack Souness over the head with a pickaxe when he assaulted him on the training ground then McDermott could have licked his real shit off the ground. If we have averaged a placing of 8.3rd over the last decade does that mean there are 95.3 clubs in the league? Bellamy never uses a pickaxe . A chair is his weapon of choice when smacking management. He uses his hand for smacking women, the hard bastard. As for doing stuff in private rather than public I assume you feel Bellamy was out of order going on SKY then? The Bellamy arguments get weaker by the day. What did you think of the Liverpool badge kissing in front of our fans by the way? As nobody has averaged 1st over the last decade, does this mean nobody is top ? Simple fact - is only 4 teams have a higher average position, and these are the ONLY 4 teams who have qualified for europe more than us. We have qualified for europe more in the last decade than we did in the previous 30 years. I am not really bothered about what Bellamy did other than the fact he did it where it matters most, on the pitch. Yes he has a dodgy temperament, so what ? He is not the first footballer and won't be the last. He was badly managed. Have we done better without him or not ? He had a row with Carver, and Carver put it behind him like an adult, which shows he is 10 times the man than the scottish fuckpig will ever be, who targetted Bellamy for one reason and one reason only, to exert his authority upon being appointed as manager. He subbed Bellamy at Charlton when he was the best player on the pitch, and our biggest chance of winning the game, because he is a prick. As he is now a Liverpool player, what is wrong with kissing the Liverpool badge ? Do you think this is worse than waving to the Kop while wearing a Newcastle Shirt ? I know what I think is worse, yet people forgave Beardsley for waving in advance to the team he was about to sign for, and he is a local lad and a newcastle supporter to boot ..... but that is when Newcastle United were a club not really worth playing for, which the departure of 3 local lads who played for England proved..... I do hope you won't ignore these facts like some others around here ..... Show me the mathematics for this average of 5th and i might agree. Please. Batting someone over the head can never be condoned. It is the same as Souness throttling the little cock. Are you saying Bellamy waasnt adult enough to put it behind him like Carver did? there is the world of differnce in the abilities and mentalities PB and Bellamy. PB was top top class. Bellamy never will be I didn't say "an average of 5th", I said "the 5th highest average". There is a difference. As I said, nobody has averaged 1st either, because it is impossible unless they win the title for 10 years in succession. Only 4 clubs have a higher average position, the same 4 clubs are the only clubs who have qualified for europe more than us. I have posted these averages previously. Cant find them. Please show me cos i am intrigued now. 4 clubs with a higher average position? that indicates our postions which have been 2, 13, 13, 11, 11, 4, 3, 5, 14, 7. We qualified for Europe through the back door on 3 occasions rather than legitimately - i.e. by virtue of other teams success rather than our own or through the intertoto. Just curious to how you have done this. Point me to the thread Leazes man. Cheers. Nb: Would you agree with PB great NUFC player and CB as good?

I can't see why not, Arsenal don't play with a big man up front and IMO they play the best football in the league, Wenger has said before that he doesn't play a target man as players will often play long balls rather than keep it on the ground. But then again Arsenal don't have Bramble twatting it upfield every time he gets the ball. Think Bramble's days are close to numbered now, to be fair. they would be if peter ramage showed talent or steven taylor justified anywhere near the hype. Neither have I'd prefer either to Bramble, though. His first-team days aren't entirely assured now. That is quite illogical. Bramble is poor at times but to prefer Ramage is just bizarre. Could be wrong but smacks of anyone but him. Believe me Ramage will get murdered at centre half this season. He is also more than capable of fucking up - sadly he has done it this season and against our opponents on Sunday, amongst others.None of the above are the answer but Bramble is more accomplished than the other two at present by a country mile despite his obvious flaws. Until you've seen Ramage play more than two games (in which he's done better than Bramble) at centre-back, I find it hard to work out how you've come to the conclusion that you have. Mr. logic. Because i can show you what a footballer should have to play centre half. Ramage has none of them other than to legs. As for his performance at Liverpool - I really hope youre not telling me he came out of that well. He has had cock up after cock up at fullback and shows nowt that says he is anywhere near championship standard never mind brambles (which isnt much to aspire to). If you think otherwise then you have seen something I quite clearly havent. There isnt a composed, decent centre half at the club worth the name. Moore is slighty safer than the other 3 but nowt but a journeyman.

Perhaps they could get rid of LAX and that would cut down on emissions too? Or get rid of the 101 highway and get people cycling to Santa Barbara? There are far too many bloody cars/SUVs and Winnebagos on that road from LA to San Franscisco anyway so surely the answer is getting rid of it? Only in America.

I'm not in anybodys "camp". I just see the situation as a dispute between people. are you suggesting you don't have an opinion on this other than a biased one ? So far as Fred is concerned, I really don't give a shite, I just want the best for the club and I do not believe Fred was doing anything other than backing his manager, which is what a chairman is supposed to do. Shit ones don't by the way, in case you haven't still grasped this concept. So, yes, even though I disagree with his judgement, I think he was right to back his manager. You need to learn how to seperate the difference in roles between the manager and chairman, but to be fair, you aren't the only one on here who can't do that. The simple fact is, Terry McDermott made public remarks about Craig Bellamy without even meeting the bloke so Craig Bellamy has every reason to want to take him to task for it. Do you still think we are better off without Craig Bellamy, yes or no ? And do you still think we were right to back Souness with a shitload of money to "build his team" ? Surely all McDermott was doing was backing his manager which according to you is the right thing to do. Do you think that McDermott who was seen as a link to the fans did what he did off his own back. If you do then you're worse than I thought (which would be quite difficult). So let me get this right. You think that Shepherd on realising that Souness was shite beyond belief was right in then giving millions of pounds to said crap manager to build his crap managers team. So if my son can't ride a bike it is right for me as a father to buy him the most expensive bike I can get my hands on for him to leave in the garage and never use. The bike is called the Kona Luque BTW. Or maybe get him the Raleigh Owen which is a fantastic bike more expensive than the Kona but is known to break a lot and make it unuseable. It's all right for me to do that just to make him like me is it? Now before you say exactly what we know you are going to. I am not saying we shouldn't have signed Owen. i was excited by the signing loved it. But we now have no money. We have a squad thinner than a catwalk model and about as healthy. And this is because Shepherd backed his crap managers blindly. Unless of course you believe the rumours and Shepherd with all his football knowledge (which he could right on the back of a stamp in crayon) went out and bought the players himself. In which case he is even worse than I thought (which would be impossible). And if you think I am doing this talking down to you in a patronising manner. Then I am sorry. But you're right I am. Not at all. I am saying that Shepherds judgement of Souness was shit, I always said it was a monumental error, and there was quite a few people on here who shared Shepherds judgement ie Gemmill, Craig for instance, who also said he should throw barrowloads of cash at him. I'm not arsed how you talk to me, because what you say above is just a load of shit and not even worth responding to until you start to look at facts ie 87 clubs have been below us over the last decade so there must be a lot of shit chairman out there. McDermott may have been appointed by his mate so he is welcome to lick his arse in private but not in public, that is the point. Shame Bellamy didn't smack Souness over the head with a pickaxe when he assaulted him on the training ground then McDermott could have licked his real shit off the ground. If we have averaged a placing of 8.3rd over the last decade does that mean there are 95.3 clubs in the league? Bellamy never uses a pickaxe . A chair is his weapon of choice when smacking management. He uses his hand for smacking women, the hard bastard. As for doing stuff in private rather than public I assume you feel Bellamy was out of order going on SKY then? The Bellamy arguments get weaker by the day. What did you think of the Liverpool badge kissing in front of our fans by the way? As nobody has averaged 1st over the last decade, does this mean nobody is top ? Simple fact - is only 4 teams have a higher average position, and these are the ONLY 4 teams who have qualified for europe more than us. We have qualified for europe more in the last decade than we did in the previous 30 years. I am not really bothered about what Bellamy did other than the fact he did it where it matters most, on the pitch. Yes he has a dodgy temperament, so what ? He is not the first footballer and won't be the last. He was badly managed. Have we done better without him or not ? He had a row with Carver, and Carver put it behind him like an adult, which shows he is 10 times the man than the scottish fuckpig will ever be, who targetted Bellamy for one reason and one reason only, to exert his authority upon being appointed as manager. He subbed Bellamy at Charlton when he was the best player on the pitch, and our biggest chance of winning the game, because he is a prick. As he is now a Liverpool player, what is wrong with kissing the Liverpool badge ? Do you think this is worse than waving to the Kop while wearing a Newcastle Shirt ? I know what I think is worse, yet people forgave Beardsley for waving in advance to the team he was about to sign for, and he is a local lad and a newcastle supporter to boot ..... but that is when Newcastle United were a club not really worth playing for, which the departure of 3 local lads who played for England proved..... I do hope you won't ignore these facts like some others around here ..... Show me the mathematics for this average of 5th and i might agree. Please. Batting someone over the head can never be condoned. It is the same as Souness throttling the little cock. Are you saying Bellamy waasnt adult enough to put it behind him like Carver did? there is the world of differnce in the abilities and mentalities PB and Bellamy. PB was top top class. Bellamy never will be

Is kissing the Liverpool badge in front of the Newcastle fans classed as 'restrained celebration' these days? Didn't see that to be honest, i think its fair in return for the booing and the chucked bottle, but no, its not a restrained celebration!!! I really dont understand how people can forgive this sort of behaviour Quite easilly, if I or indeed the whole away end give a player shit for 90 mins, i'll take back what comes my way from the player when he or his team score. Just as Blackburn fans had to when they gave Shearer 90 mins stick and so for the first time ever he actually changed his 1 handed celebration, or when he danced in front of the manu fans when we beat them 5-0. Players get it and dish it back and fans cry like little bairns, just like the Hammers fans with Roeder. I can't speak for everybody, but if i dish it out i'll take it back from players. The context is very very different. shearer did his salute in front of our fans. not Blackburns. Shearer is justifiably loathed in salford simply because he snubbed them twice. He makes no bones about it. He accepts it. The fans crying are the fans who didnt realise what an objectionable little toad he was and that this supposed love of us never existed. Only one person in Craigys life. Shearer did it at Ewood Park, the whole ground of Blackburn fans are there to see it, its not like he did a sercret little sign for the toon fans that all the Blackburn people couldn't see or understand. Its the same context and i don't give a toss about either of them doing it because it was in response to fans giving them stick so they were both entitled to do it for me. And you'd struggle to find these mythical fans who didn't realise what Bellamy was/is, because everyone knows what he is, all that matters is whether you want him in your team or not. Shearer did it in front of our fans. totally different man. I dont want him in the north east never mind my team. After his badge kissing would u have him back? Not to mention all the other shite he has clearly done.as for mythical fans - have look over on N-O. there are plenty of them. just seems many are just waking up to the fact. Like i say one love in his life.

Is kissing the Liverpool badge in front of the Newcastle fans classed as 'restrained celebration' these days? Didn't see that to be honest, i think its fair in return for the booing and the chucked bottle, but no, its not a restrained celebration!!! I really dont understand how people can forgive this sort of behaviour Quite easilly, if I or indeed the whole away end give a player shit for 90 mins, i'll take back what comes my way from the player when he or his team score. Just as Blackburn fans had to when they gave Shearer 90 mins stick and so for the first time ever he actually changed his 1 handed celebration, or when he danced in front of the manu fans when we beat them 5-0. Players get it and dish it back and fans cry like little bairns, just like the Hammers fans with Roeder. I can't speak for everybody, but if i dish it out i'll take it back from players. The context is very very different. shearer did his salute in front of our fans. not Blackburns. Shearer is justifiably loathed in salford simply because he snubbed them twice. He makes no bones about it. He accepts it. The fans crying are the fans who didnt realise what an objectionable little toad he was and that this supposed love of us never existed. Only one person in Craigys life.

Bellamy = 28 prem goals in 93 full games for us Shola = 26 prem goals in 90 full games for us Obviously Shola has a good few sub appearance too. As a disclaimer I will say that they arent on the same planet but then Shola apparently has never kissed a liverpool badge in front of newcastle fans has he? And not many players have waved to the Liverpool fans at the Kop while wearing a Newcastle shirt too, in real Peter Beardsley style, back in 1987. That is a truly bizarre comparison. I dont recall Peter Beardsley ever kissing his Liverpool badge in front of Newcastle fans. I know one former player who has who has though.

I'm not in anybodys "camp". I just see the situation as a dispute between people. are you suggesting you don't have an opinion on this other than a biased one ? So far as Fred is concerned, I really don't give a shite, I just want the best for the club and I do not believe Fred was doing anything other than backing his manager, which is what a chairman is supposed to do. Shit ones don't by the way, in case you haven't still grasped this concept. So, yes, even though I disagree with his judgement, I think he was right to back his manager. You need to learn how to seperate the difference in roles between the manager and chairman, but to be fair, you aren't the only one on here who can't do that. The simple fact is, Terry McDermott made public remarks about Craig Bellamy without even meeting the bloke so Craig Bellamy has every reason to want to take him to task for it. Do you still think we are better off without Craig Bellamy, yes or no ? And do you still think we were right to back Souness with a shitload of money to "build his team" ? Surely all McDermott was doing was backing his manager which according to you is the right thing to do. Do you think that McDermott who was seen as a link to the fans did what he did off his own back. If you do then you're worse than I thought (which would be quite difficult). So let me get this right. You think that Shepherd on realising that Souness was shite beyond belief was right in then giving millions of pounds to said crap manager to build his crap managers team. So if my son can't ride a bike it is right for me as a father to buy him the most expensive bike I can get my hands on for him to leave in the garage and never use. The bike is called the Kona Luque BTW. Or maybe get him the Raleigh Owen which is a fantastic bike more expensive than the Kona but is known to break a lot and make it unuseable. It's all right for me to do that just to make him like me is it? Now before you say exactly what we know you are going to. I am not saying we shouldn't have signed Owen. i was excited by the signing loved it. But we now have no money. We have a squad thinner than a catwalk model and about as healthy. And this is because Shepherd backed his crap managers blindly. Unless of course you believe the rumours and Shepherd with all his football knowledge (which he could right on the back of a stamp in crayon) went out and bought the players himself. In which case he is even worse than I thought (which would be impossible). And if you think I am doing this talking down to you in a patronising manner. Then I am sorry. But you're right I am. Not at all. I am saying that Shepherds judgement of Souness was shit, I always said it was a monumental error, and there was quite a few people on here who shared Shepherds judgement ie Gemmill, Craig for instance, who also said he should throw barrowloads of cash at him. I'm not arsed how you talk to me, because what you say above is just a load of shit and not even worth responding to until you start to look at facts ie 87 clubs have been below us over the last decade so there must be a lot of shit chairman out there. McDermott may have been appointed by his mate so he is welcome to lick his arse in private but not in public, that is the point. Shame Bellamy didn't smack Souness over the head with a pickaxe when he assaulted him on the training ground then McDermott could have licked his real shit off the ground. If we have averaged a placing of 8.3rd over the last decade does that mean there are 95.3 clubs in the league? Bellamy never uses a pickaxe . A chair is his weapon of choice when smacking management. He uses his hand for smacking women, the hard bastard. As for doing stuff in private rather than public I assume you feel Bellamy was out of order going on SKY then? The Bellamy arguments get weaker by the day. What did you think of the Liverpool badge kissing in front of our fans by the way?

Bellamy = 28 prem goals in 93 full games for us Shola = 26 prem goals in 90 full games for us Obviously Shola has a good few sub appearance too. As a disclaimer I will say that they arent on the same planet but then Shola apparently has never kissed a liverpool badge in front of newcastle fans has he? Watch the liverpool game tonight and you might see why he hasnt scored a boatload. Missed a sitter. JJ missed one too but at least he had ran 40 yards to get on the end of it.

Agree with that. Parker does have a very good touch and energy. Would like to see him, Dyer, Duff and Solano in midfield. Bit of pace and experience there. Also sees the Dyer, Solano link up back with someone up front with pace. Makes a big difference. Would like to see the entire back four shipped and replaced as well and that isnt going to happen. Nice to see that the best 3 players at the club are all fucked.

Bellamy = 28 prem goals in 93 full games for us Shola = 26 prem goals in 90 full games for us Obviously Shola has a good few sub appearance too. As a disclaimer I will say that they arent on the same planet but then Shola apparently has never kissed a liverpool badge in front of newcastle fans has he?

Christ on a bike. Totally different players. Together they would have been superb. Henry certainly isnt too far behind van Basten to be fair. You're talking to one of Henry's biggest fans here mate, I think he's the best player in the world, just don't think he's on the level as Van Basten. I rate the likes of Ronaldo at his peak, Van Basten & Baggio all just above Henry's level. Baggio wasnt. Not in my opinion anyway. Would certainly put Henry higher up the scale than him. Oddly enough I would actually say Gullit was the better of the three dutch players. In his prime he was literally unstoppable and could operate anywhere on a football pitch. He was an animal. van Basten got the plaudits in 1988 but gullit was the architect. Agree about Ronaldo. He was superb in his Barcalona days in particular. By the way I would say there wasnt much between Henry and van Basten. but yeah van Basten was better.

Christ on a bike. Totally different players. Together they would have been superb. Henry certainly isnt too far behind van Basten to be fair.

fuck me its along time since I thought about the redskins. I used to be in a five a side team with the drummer I am off to find "keep on keeping on" saw them a load of times. was at the tube when they played.billy Bragg was on too. Love Keep on Keepin on there are vids of them on youtube!

freak scene - dinosaur junior i just saw a face i cant forget - the beatles janey jones - the clash this charming man - the smiths owt by the redskins plenty more too but cant think

owt by the redskins

I can't see why not, Arsenal don't play with a big man up front and IMO they play the best football in the league, Wenger has said before that he doesn't play a target man as players will often play long balls rather than keep it on the ground. But then again Arsenal don't have Bramble twatting it upfield every time he gets the ball. Think Bramble's days are close to numbered now, to be fair. they would be if peter ramage showed talent or steven taylor justified anywhere near the hype. Neither have I'd prefer either to Bramble, though. His first-team days aren't entirely assured now. That is quite illogical. Bramble is poor at times but to prefer Ramage is just bizarre. Could be wrong but smacks of anyone but him. Believe me Ramage will get murdered at centre half this season. He is also more than capable of fucking up - sadly he has done it this season and against our opponents on Sunday, amongst others.None of the above are the answer but Bramble is more accomplished than the other two at present by a country mile despite his obvious flaws.