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dont bother Nobby, the gits only forget it and break your heart 25 June Me and Geoge Michael

Full of holes really but the sentiment is sort of ok. It sounds like it was written by Leazes given the the diametrically opposed views used. Kids have to be good enough to get in a side. Simple as that. Rooney never seems to have much bother. Neither does Terry. Those two play for two of the richest clubs in the world. All depends how you put the spin on it. Standards have risen dramatically in terms of the players within the league compared to 10-20 years ago. Players who got first team places 10-20 years ago arent getting them simply because its easier to buy an international player from abroad. Its very simple logic really. Clubs have the choice of buying internationals or blooding kids - they buy international players obviously cos the risk of relative failure is so great. It has happened in the championship too. Players who played regularly 10 years ago would be squad players or in the championship now. Its up to the kids to push through that. It means that players have to be very very good to get a game. Regularly. Unless youre at Newcastle when Peter Ramage, Taylor, Huntington, Edgar and Pattison are deemed to be top class by some bloody idiots.

cottaging and money?

I reckon its bollocks. We used to tip this lads out of his bottle(s) in the house we shared an fill it with tap water. He never noticed. We were doing it for over a year.

5pm on Monday evening was my last one, I decided to play football that night, first time since the pissup and knew it wouldnt be good so I finished the box I had at that time then played at 6pm. Nothing works for me so its cold turkey, no patches, no gum (thats the most disgusting thing ever tasted), nowt just me and my willpower aaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrghh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In which case, very well done. You have done the hard part anyway. Now its just keeping it in check really.

I have to stay in and avoid everyone, hence I am not going out tonight and am eating like Gemmill. Anyway, I think I need to generally get fit so went for first run since xmas last night and did another this morning. Enjoyed it but coughing all kinds of shit up now. Got it in me head that 3 days is physical dependency gone and 12 days is the psychological one on the wane (some doctor told me that when trying to be helpful - no idea if he just made it up to make me feel better). Anyway, it worked the first time and its workign again! Nicorette microtabs help aswell, cos if I do go to the pub I jsut have one of them instead of a tab and it makes you feel like youre doing something.

quoted to confirm. I've gone 960 minutes so far this time. I'd say this time it's for good...but there's a match on Wednesday. 7232/60 = 120 hours Fuck me you have done less than a week and youre harping on about it? I stopped on Sunday night. At 11pm. How many hours is that? (adding up at this point) Fuck me I have done more minutes than you. Anyway, well done. What have you used to stop? I stopped for 3 months once when my mate reckoned that having a pint every time you wanted a tab worked. It did as well. I was fucked though. I stopped for 4+ years til I got on that bastard plane the day of the terror alerts this summer. Anyway, keep out of pubs until day 12! (thats good advice - promise you!)

He is the figurehead of our national team! People associate the national coach with people in the country (probably). I bet Germans think we all look like him That's OK, we think they all look like Rudi Völler and Christoph Daum Yeah but they actually do

He is the figurehead of our national team! People associate the national coach with people in the country (probably). I bet Germans think we all look like him

What the fuck is he doing with his hair? Slaphead combover with sideburn chopped off to his temple. How can we have a man with so little style as England manager?

Portsmouth just had a blatant penalty turned down at OT. Burns missed the fucker.

If we use the 10% rule of thumb, who are the crafty butchers on this board?

Mourinho is a very good manager Porto - 2003, League winners with record points total, UEFA cup winners and Portoguese cup winners. Bear in mind he took over a team in 2002 that was not guaranteed European football but he got them to 3rd place. Porto - 2004, Won the league again and the Champions league. Chelsea - 2005, Won the league, Carling Cup and lost in semis of cup to a dodgy decision (win some and you lose some I guess) Chelsea - 2006, Won the league. Not a bad record really. Jose did note that he was asked to take a position as coach over at SJP when Bobby was here with a view to taking over as manager. He also noted that Bobby couldnt leave football very easily and that it may have been some time until he got his chance. I think that whilst he has had the benefit of cash he has a record to match anyones in recent times. His time at Porto was exceptional by any standards. Its always amusing to hear MUFC fans whinge about Chelsea splashing the cash when you look at the number of times that they have broken the transfer record and thrown money at buying the title. Its been cash with those fuckers since they nicked bobby Charlton off us with the promise of a houseful of cash. Never liked that money driven baldy old twat. Jack should have knocked the old fuckers head off. Worth reading Leo McKinstry's book "A story of brothers in conflict". Bobby doesnt come out of it very well at all. The first bits of the book sum up the sly old fucker - Bobby Charlton claims that Jackie told him to join Man Utd and not Newcastle, however, Brian Glanville told McKinstry "I was once told by Jackie Milburn, with whom I was very friendly, that Bobby was all set to join Newcastle United. The deal was done and dusted and Bobby was going to get a newspaper job. Manchester United ensured it didnt happen. Cissie said to Jackie, I'm sorry but they have offered him £750". I like Mourinho. He will do well wherever he goes I reckon.

Has enough shots, like. Nothing wrong with that. He gets into the positions well and makes great runs, and ends up with a decent amount of goals. He's also got plenty of assists to his name. I would say he was hyped up too much over a year ago, but after the World Cup he was all of a sudden considered useless, which is an unfair judgment on his ability. He is a good player but the comparisons with Gerrard are daft. Gerrard is on a different level to him. Personally I wouldnt play the two of them together for England, not that i really give a toos abuot national football (no idea why but probably cos I hate the whole nationalistic shite that accompanies it as well as the usual southern bias that accompanies it). I think Chelsea are having similar problems to England in trying to accomodate players who are talented. Ballack isnt playing his natural game and Lampard sacrifices some of his in the process. Anyway, I dont like Chelsea fans or the club but i do like Jose Mourinho. He is a very good manager and I have no idea how much he has spent but Fergie and Man Utd have been just as guilty of that for the last 20 years. Of course one clubs wealth is organic and one is a rich mans play thing but you cant blame Mourinho for that. Which first team cost more? anyone know?

A whopping 10 stone 4 here and need to lose about 6 pounds of that. I am 5'8"

Gemmill do you even have an argument/a point/thoughts/a brain ? Easy to sit back and try (unsuccessfully i might add) to pick holes in someone else's argument without offering positive thoughts on a route forward yourself. My point is simply this: 1. We are not going to be able to sign a John Terry or a Rio. 2. We 've paid big money for the likes of Boumsong, Shambles and have even brought in experienced Full backs in Car and baba and it hasn't worked out, (failed miserably in fact). Should we 'A' panic and sign another big money defender i.e. Curtis for £9m who may well turn out to be another flop like Shambles or Boum or should we 'B' let pearson work with the very promising potential, crop of youngster defenders and mould them into quality players? Taylor is our future in defence build round him. When i put it like this, surely even Gemmill can figure out the right move. That sounds ludicrous to me TOPTOON and please stop using the tabloid nonsense like Shambles - it makes you look thick. As for moulding quality? Well you can to some extent but having seen some exceptional talent at Newcastle from relatively young players in Waddle, Beardsley and Gascoigne as well as those who proved to be very good players like Andy Cole you are so well wide of the mark in your claims that Taylor is 'awesome'. He is fortunate that we have fuck all else tbh. Kids tend to buy the hype. It is obvious that you have. YOu told us that Ramage would be a very good player at centre half and that it wasnt fair to judge him on hi time at fullback. It was patently obvious he didnt have the physical quality to play there at Premiership level. Taylors fuck ups at U21 level and Premiership level are not infrequent. He is, however, young. The kids simply dont have that obvious quality that the good players mentioned above did have. There isnt a centre half on our books who could kick a young Steve Howey's arse never mind Jonathan Woodgates. The future is in the transfer market. If you cant see the obvious flaws in the games of Taylor, Ramage or Huntington then you are misguided in the extreme. We have had a team of talented kids playing for us before and those kids were light years ahead of the talent we currently have from the academy. (3 of them made the England squad when it was difficult to do so and another did later on) That lot almost got us relegated to the old Third Division. We need experience and we need pace at the back. The kids provide us with neither of those attributes.

No, you thought that buying a ticket was buying a share. I dont. By calling a fan a stakeholder you dont change the nature of what was exchanged in the market. All fans are stakeholders, even ones who stream the games off the net for nowt and contribute to forums but add no revenue to the club. Nonsense. I said nothing of the sort about shares and tickets. I said "You pay to watch the spectacle as a form of entertainment (sic). The exchange of cash for ticket entitles you to enter the ground and view the game. Nowt else. Wages are a contract between employer and employee and does not involve 'customers' tbqfh." You said you pay the players wages to counter that and to suggest that you are entitled to a voice within the club. Thats why we are talking about shares and tickets tbh. And stop googling to back your shite arguments up BTW do you have bad coffee breath and sweaty pits? Most teachers do tbh. Youre resorting to making this up Chez. I said that indirectly - note the use of the word throughout - we pay the players wages. It is an unwise economist that is quite so literal and I have grave doubts about your academic claims. As for googling? Hardly sunshine. The fact that you feel that is necessary when nothing has been noted beyond GCSE economics level tells its own story tbf. As for coffee breath and sweaty pits? Well the NUT make it compulsory and I have been with them since they gave me the best pencil case during my teacher training many moons ago! I made a point about buying a ticket entitling you to nothing more than entering the ground. You disagreed so i reiterated this disagreement for you. Simpleton. All you've then said is that you doubt i have any qualifications, denied spuriously googling and admitted you've got bad breath. Not the greatest comeback i've seen. I've said once what my credentials were. I accept you are a schoolteacher too. I dont doubt you are telling the truth. As you are unable to recall the evidence of this discussion I am afraid I seriously doubt yours. I have reiterated several times that in the literal sense then of course the fans dont pay the players wages. Without them, however, there is no market and hence no need for a wage. I am sure you can work the rest out. Its GCSE stuff man. Get a grip. You appear to have some evidence of this googling which is amusing when your performance here is more Peter Ramage than Peter Drucker

Without the fans would there be any reason to have a match? Without that would there be any TV revenue? Who buys the merchandise? Why cant kids think anymore? I blame the fucking teachers what was it about the above statement that you did not understand? Man City / Bolton / Boro don't seem to have too many fans, where are they getting their money from I wonder? You know when Sima mentioned about opening your mouth and removing all doubt? Take heed next time...

No, you thought that buying a ticket was buying a share. I dont. By calling a fan a stakeholder you dont change the nature of what was exchanged in the market. All fans are stakeholders, even ones who stream the games off the net for nowt and contribute to forums but add no revenue to the club. Nonsense. I said nothing of the sort about shares and tickets. I said "You pay to watch the spectacle as a form of entertainment (sic). The exchange of cash for ticket entitles you to enter the ground and view the game. Nowt else. Wages are a contract between employer and employee and does not involve 'customers' tbqfh." You said you pay the players wages to counter that and to suggest that you are entitled to a voice within the club. Thats why we are talking about shares and tickets tbh. And stop googling to back your shite arguments up BTW do you have bad coffee breath and sweaty pits? Most teachers do tbh. Youre resorting to making this up Chez. I said that indirectly - note the use of the word throughout - we pay the players wages. It is an unwise economist that is quite so literal and I have grave doubts about your academic claims. As for googling? Hardly sunshine. The fact that you feel that is necessary when nothing has been noted beyond GCSE economics level tells its own story tbf. As for coffee breath and sweaty pits? Well the NUT make it compulsory and I have been with them since they gave me the best pencil case during my teacher training many moons ago!

You were still in your fathas plums and they couldnt force it hard enough down his Japs eye. If only they had managed and left the fucka wedged there you might not have got out

Without the fans would there be any reason to have a match? Without that would there be any TV revenue? Who buys the merchandise? Why cant kids think anymore? I blame the fucking teachers

No, you thought that buying a ticket was buying a share. I dont. By calling a fan a stakeholder you dont change the nature of what was exchanged in the market. All fans are stakeholders, even ones who stream the games off the net for nowt and contribute to forums but add no revenue to the club. Nonsense. I said nothing of the sort about shares and tickets. What I have said is that the revenue stream from fans is the core of the business. Without that there is no club. The point being that, whilst I accept that the literal idea of fans paying players wages is absurd, the financial stream from them is what makes a club like ours tick. Whether directly or indirectly, wages are paid from money generated from fans of NUFC. Without the fans we have it is unlikely we would be in the Premiership or have the SKY income. Whilst the nature of what is exchanged is clear, the flow of income is similarly obvious (well as clear as it can be with FFS). We havent diversified into areas which will subsidise our existence and we dont have a sugar daddy. So where does the money come from? I seriously have doubts that you have a degree at all never mind one in economics Chez. It will be a long time til you earn your patches my boy. Economists arent wise to take a literal perspective. Nb: there is endless empirical evidence of the influence of stakeholders and if you do have a look at Kotler you will find decent evidence about the prominence of market orientation.