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We've played something like 38 games. Every 2 then Still not good.

I was matching match of the day and they stated that we have had something like 19 different back fours this season. Thats nearly every game. Something they also said was that we have let in something like 18 goals in 7 games. This got me thinking is Bramble the best defender we have got, not including his lapses. He has been out for 13 games. 13 games without we have conceded 25 goals 13 games prior we have conceded 9 goals

No you will find that clubs that are ran correctly unlike ours won`t throw players straight into a team. They will use him as back up until one of them is ready to be dropped. Something I have noticed Man Utd and Arsenal do, sometimes a new player won`t be used for over 6 months while they get acustom to the Country, League , Langauge and settle in at a home. Maybe thats why talent we buy never produce or live up to expectations.

Agreed. I wasted 4 clicks of a mouse and 20 seconds of my life.

I mentioned to the bloke I was watching it with that it was about 10 years since we'd lost at home in FA Cup, which was then mentioned on the telly soon after. Last night was my fault tbh. Thanks for the curse. I may have helped. The misses said we would get beat as we usually do as soon as we build our hopes up that we have turned a corner. She wanted to watch Big Brother instead. I said no, we will win this comfortably.

True but then again the full house crowds havn`t been as loud as once they were. If only we could get that local derby match atmosphere every game it really would be the twelth man.

So our next televised game is next year then according to the sky website. Damn we have got a bit shite. Sky likes to show games for reasons. Maybe they thought we would have some new players by 31st Jan but have found out we won`t. Or maybe if the clubs getting sold they don`t want the hassle. I don`t know but it is a strange one. Theoritcally that game could see us in the top 7 again.

It was strange. Unfortunatley living 250 miles away I get up there rarely so my atmosphere has to come from the TV and Stereo. I must have had the volume on full last night but it didn`t sound too loud.

Your confusing him not actually getting picked with having an ok game i think.

That translates to what i said in the first half. They seemed physically stronger and taller and no your right Steve Bruce we couldn`t deal with your team punting the ball up field all night. He knew with some of the football Butt, Dyer and Martins could produce with the ball on the deck would have got to them. Its been like that for a while now, the back 4 just havn`t been getting distance on the clearences and when they did it was straight to the away team. Can anyone remember Ramage attempting a Bramble pass, only it got to about the half way line. All an opposing manager has to do is watch a video of Shay punting the ball upfield 98% of the time to anyone but our players. I can`t remember many headers being won last night or Sunday tbh.

Substitute him for a lucky dip from a crowd of shoppers in the metro centre,make's no difference. A good game and he'd be covering for 10 who are shit.

It was quite a serious injury, I doubt Bramble will be back until Villa. Glenda will probably use Edgar.

Stupid article.

Because it takes my mind off the shit I just watched and the absolute hiding I'm going to get at work tomorrow. It's a dead heat. I emailed some smoggie wanker today telling him I wished we'd drawn them in the next round so we could knock the fuckers out. I`m lucky i`m off work tomorrow I can stay in all day.

I think thats what its come to. Just in general tonight. Quite a tough decision. I think Pattison just scraps it. At least Luque can play a pass or touch the ball before he falls on his arse as they both do constantly.

Thats not the question though is it. Whats your honest Luque hating answer I thought Pattison was crap on Sunday but didn`t think he could get worse. How wrong was i ?

Has anyone ever seen Pattison play better than Luque? I havn`t yet...

At least ramage and Taylor tried to defend (ok they failed miserably) did Pattison try and attack ??? Pass and move??? Not in the whole fucking first half did he even attempt to!!! Great winger/CM!!!!!! Milner and Shay were our only two ok players tonight the rest were absolute dogshite from hell!! At half time I would have put Milner on the left, Solano on the right and Pearson or anybody in the RB position. Nobby made little difference there tonight and we needed goals. Pattison was a fat mong.

He gifted the first goal. And the 2nd. Cameron just walked past him....actually and the 5th. I thought he gifted more then the first but started losing interest in anything after 3-1. My mind already started erasing the trauma from my memory.

He gifted the first goal.

I`m blushing with embarassment in my own house ffs. Although if we win on saturday i couldn`t give a fuck tbh.

If Newcastle didn`t exsist your saying you would be a glory hunter? I hope you're joking; I'm pretty sure they were. I`m not sure thats why I was asking. Anyway I would support Ipswich. As for the premiership the only envolvement I would get would be the enjoyment of Liverpool, Arsenal , Everton and Tottenham getting beat.

If Newcastle didn`t exsist your saying you would be a glory hunter?

Yes and not once have I let that blind judgement. Read through the posts and you will see that I agree with needing better defenders. He never denies his faults either. I`m pissed off with the attitude towards someone who has helped this club in bigger ways than the odd goal let in. I have previously mentioned in this thread. The Chelsea one that got us into 7th for the intertoto cup and the one that got us from intertoto to UEFA. Also the really good run of form during Souness time. Playing through injury when able and generally respected the club. Do any of you slagging Roeder off think that we can afford to let him go money wise? Not for shit let me tell you. I would understand if we had 4 top 5 defenders in our ranks but wake up we havn`t. IMO if Roeder let Titus go before Carr, Babayoro, Moore or Ramage he would need locking up in a mental institute. Have any of you thought that even if NUFC want rid that they stand to get alot more for him with a longer contract. If Bramble went before Luque and other poor players in our team then our board would be stupid. As someone said earlier in this thread there are far worse players on bigger wages than Bramble in areas with more cover too. Try thinking before you type. You're mates with him! Tell him he's shit and needs glasses from me. Thanks How about I just call you a prick. Saves the phone call really. Thanks