Phil

I thought he said NI and Wales were too dependant on the government for jobs. The Torys can only effect the public sector jobs, which will have no effect on the private sector. They have said they want to force the banks to lend to small businesses, which will create jobs. There are thousands of entrepreneurs waiting to create jobs. Whereas Labour have said they are going to raise National Insurance, a direct tax that will cost businesses and anyone earning over £20k. Sheer madness - businesses are struggling and more taxes will slow down hiring. So you think its ok for me to support a dole waller three years? There is a lack of good jobs in this country, but I will never be unemployed as i'll clean toilets if it puts food on the table. A labour myth that retards like you lap up. The current threshold is £350,000, which Labour has frozen until 2014. So if your family home is worth more by 2014 you have to sell it....! It's such a small amount of revenue, but dont let that stop your rant. Moreover the shortfall is 1.2 billion which will be leved by the nondom tax. The best policy of all the parties is the Lib Dems' £10k tax free earnings. So if your poor you should vote Lib Dem.

Scare tactics are saying don't vote for Dave he'll cut your benifits and you'll lose your jobs - both of which are wildly untrue. Stating the IMF will need to intervien the Tory and Labour distinct different approach (tax vs cuts) is f**cking obvious. Here are scare tatics, which the Torys deserve a medal for not pedalling more. FACT: Labour have run up £850 billion in debt, which costs us £42 billion a year to service. That's more than we spend on Police. So if you think the services are good under . Go ahead and vote for the muppet, just don't cry when the country collapses and the rich wont help you. NI rises LMAO, what next a tax on air? But then thats Gordon for you. No charm so he MUST be clever. The irony is your voting for Mandelson, everything Old Labour isn't.

I thought Iron Man 2 was very good, especially Mickey Rourke. Definately recommend it if you liked the first one.

Indeed. Clegg has lost the plot on that one. It sends out the wrong message. It's a vote loser and not what Joe Public wants to hear (because they're bigots aren't they Gordon?) Clegg floundering a bit tonight imo. In principal offering all illegals amnesty is a good idea, they come forward, we now have a list of the number of people in the country, they can be given NI numbers and they can work and be taxed however any government would fuck it up so I'm voting Lib Dem The issue is Labour abolished tracking people leaving, Lim Dem wants the amnesty so we can track them better. Personally I don't care if they know the figure as it's only a statistic, they are illegal so would come and stay regardless. Also I think the logistics of an amnesty wouldn't pan out as if 800k people come forward they will more than likely be in pockets of areas. So giving them the right to work will put a major strain on that area. Its a good suggest, but one that i dont think can work. The real problem for me is we shouldn't have an open door policy for the EU. Especially if we consider Greece and Spain's downward spiral. So you want us to withdraw from the EU then? I actually thought it a bit ironic that, imo, Brown wiped the floor with Clegg and Cameron regarding immigration tonight. Iirc it was the Conservatives that stopped 'counting people out' btw. I'm not the biggest fan of the EU, we pay 5.4bn into it every year and its rising. I see it as a bit of an old style Union - collective bargaining etc... if it wasn't for the language barrier I would be more in favour. In a Utopian world maybe it could work. I thought Brown and Cameron had very similar immigration policies. I suspect Camerons cap is something of a vote tactic rather than an actual policy.

Indeed. Clegg has lost the plot on that one. It sends out the wrong message. It's a vote loser and not what Joe Public wants to hear (because they're bigots aren't they Gordon?) Clegg floundering a bit tonight imo. In principal offering all illegals amnesty is a good idea, they come forward, we now have a list of the number of people in the country, they can be given NI numbers and they can work and be taxed however any government would fuck it up so I'm voting Lib Dem The issue is Labour abolished tracking people leaving, Lim Dem wants the amnesty so we can track them better. Personally I don't care if they know the figure as it's only a statistic, they are illegal so would come and stay regardless. Also I think the logistics of an amnesty wouldn't pan out as if 800k people come forward they will more than likely be in pockets of areas. So giving them the right to work will put a major strain on that area. Its a good suggest, but one that i dont think can work. The real problem for me is we shouldn't have an open door policy for the EU. Espcially if we concider Greece and Spains downward spiral.

Browns came across as a despreate man constantly sniping at the other two and giving very little info on his four year to half the debt plan.... my money is on at massive VAT hike.

Doing up the boarded up homes is not a solution to the banks not giving out mortgages... Clegg is losing it bad.

Careful Clegg you might get a splinter sitting on the fence so much.

Simply not true... Banks are greedy they've been taking risks they shouldn't have been doing and ripping each other off by bundling good and bad debt together. The reason we have a mortgage shortage is because the they dont trust each other any more and inter bank lending is almost none existent. ..if it were true a national bank for a country with a Tripple A rating would be something of a heavy weight in an uncertain market. I imagine we could cherry pick our investments. Other UK banks would have to make their hedge fund manager earn there pay.

When have I said let the banking industry go bust? I said transfer the important assets to a national bank, the only people to suffer would be shareholders and employees. I have sympathy for the lower level employees, but how does it differ from Rover? Setting up a national bank would create jobs. My point was you have waved the massive debt off as just "one of those things". If you believe Gordon will make a profit on Northern Rock then where are you placing the debt?

Well, compared to Cameron he pretty much is actually. What would have happened if Cameron and Osbourne had let the banks collapse? Sorry, I should have clarified: the line needs to be that it's a bit rich positioning yourself as the great rescuer when you were complicit in creating the problem and exposing the country to the global crisis to a massive extent in the first place. True, but what's done is done now, and we are hardly unique in this aspect. I want to back the best man to get us out of the mess, and think Brown is still best qualified to do it. Daftest thing I've ever read. Brown got us into this mess by piss poor planning. We had the biggest economic boom in ages and rather paying off our debt and saving for future issues like the pension time bomb or banking collapse like the Australia did, he wasted it while making arrogant claims (e.g. 'end of boom and bust' etc...). We are in £848.5 billion debt (Feb 2010) and have to pay 42 Billion a year to service it. What baffles me is Gordon has the cheek to attack the Conservatives aim to cut 6 billion spending to try and reduce it, while claiming he will reduce it by half in four years. Wake up and smell the coffee mate, even Shepard would agree borrowing 14 billion a month is wrong. The conservatives have laid out their plan to regulate the banking sector and force them to lend, which will stimulate SME and grow the economy. Super Gordon wants to piss away more money on public services which has created an unsustainable reliance on the public sector. If you want the country to stand any chance vote conservative, if you want to work until you die and live in a crappy over crowed care home with a worthless pension, stick with Gordon - the debt is out of control. The debt was perfectly manageable until the ripple effect from the sub prime crisis in the US fucked up just about every economy in the Western world. We are not alone in this and would have been completely fucked if we had followed the tory plans during the peak of the crisis. And now its the same old story from the Eton brigade - tax relief for the super rich and specific plans to fuck the North East over as Cameron admitted last week. As for tax relief for married couples, parents setting up new schools etc, what a joke. Amateur stuff which hasn't been properly thought out. Your last sentence reeks of scaremongering, or perhaps you've just not had a very good time of it of late. For me personally I recognise all the good things Labour have done whilst in power - massive improvements to the NHS, to schools, minimum wage, working tax credits, winter heating allowance for the elderly, etc, etc. The fact that the tories in opposition objected to most of these things tells its own story. In the last decade since Labour has been in power our citiy centres have also been virtually rebuilt (for the better in general). We've had genuinely good times and now are suffering the hangover of a global recession, but it is NOTHING compared to Thatcher under the 80s. We are in £848.5 billion debt (Feb 2010) and have to pay 42 Billion a year to service it and are lending a further 14 Billion a month and you think this is beacuse of the sub prime crisis? Northern Rock cost us 90.7 billion, which was too much for a failing company. The Tory's were right, we should have let it go bust and transfered the Morgages and savings to the Post Office setting up a national bank. Companies go bust all the time, Rover being a good example. Why are Northern Rock and Lloyds any different. The improvements were paid for by the housing market boom and continued by racking up debt. Gordon is spending £4 for every £3 in tax, how on earth can this be sustained. The Conservative party have said in their manifesto they will try and keep interest rates as low as possible for as long as possible. You have to let Thatcherisms go, everything about her was wrong and the current Conservative manifesto show her views are no where near the current parties.

Well, compared to Cameron he pretty much is actually. What would have happened if Cameron and Osbourne had let the banks collapse? Sorry, I should have clarified: the line needs to be that it's a bit rich positioning yourself as the great rescuer when you were complicit in creating the problem and exposing the country to the global crisis to a massive extent in the first place. True, but what's done is done now, and we are hardly unique in this aspect. I want to back the best man to get us out of the mess, and think Brown is still best qualified to do it. Daftest thing I've ever read. Brown got us into this mess by piss poor planning. We had the biggest economic boom in ages and rather paying off our debt and saving for future issues like the pension time bomb or banking collapse like the Australia did, he wasted it while making arrogant claims (e.g. 'end of boom and bust' etc...). We are in £848.5 billion debt (Feb 2010) and have to pay 42 Billion a year to service it. What baffles me is Gordon has the cheek to attack the Conservatives aim to cut 6 billion spending to try and reduce it, while claiming he will reduce it by half in four years. Wake up and smell the coffee mate, even Shepard would agree borrowing 14 billion a month is wrong. The conservatives have laid out their plan to regulate the banking sector and force them to lend, which will stimulate SME and grow the economy. Super Gordon wants to piss away more money on public services which has created an unsustainable reliance on the public sector. If you want the country to stand any chance vote conservative, if you want to work until you die and live in a crappy over crowed care home with a worthless pension, stick with Gordon - the debt is out of control.

I see. I've nothing against spending big on the right player, but it's the wasted millions on dross that has to stop. Sure. I mean every single club in the world that spends the top money [because they want to win the top trophies] spends every penny well and every single player they buy is a roaring success. I've never had an issue with our old spending policy. It was the silly contracts. How Dyer every got onto 80k is beyond sense. Regarding the actual topic, Hughton is certainly the man for next season and not sticking by him would be embarrasingly short sighted. If I had to replace him, Roy Hodgson would be prefered choice.

I voted Smith as I think without his contribution early doors we'd be no where near the top.

lets get this into perspective. People are slating 2 of our ex players who are playing in the premiership and played for us when we were a good premiership side ? Are Zogs and Bramble your idea of ambition? they are out of range of Mike Ashley's. They are also, as I said, currently playing for a team above us yet arseholes are knocking them. Which says everything. Zogs & Bramble - or - Routledge & Williamson I know which i prefer...

lets get this into perspective. People are slating 2 of our ex players who are playing in the premiership and played for us when we were a good premiership side ? Are Zogs and Bramble your idea of ambition?

Sarcasim isn't easy to convey over the internet, but I thought listing Shola was it obvious.

So lets get this right, the bloke who gave us SBR and ran us while we were in the Champions league is 4 places ahead of the bloke who has sytematically ripped the club apart, made us a laughing stock, lied to the fans, press and managers sold some of our best players then had us relegated while making profits in the transfer windows. At the same time the chairman who presided over us during the slightly better part of Ashleys reign and brought in dealings with the fans etc is more at fault than the current greasy worm who wouldnt know how to deal with fans if he had to. Oh and a manager who was here years ago and just happened to be shite is the worst of all? Im guessing you wrote all those names down on bits of paper and threw them in the air to make that list, either that or you mis read it as a "worst tache" competition. I've added an extra line in bold above for you.... are you going to grace the thread with your order? As for the laughable attempt to say Fred should get praise for giving us SBR, it wasn't exactly rocket science hiring him was it? Now if he wasn't from the North East with a affinty for the club and a long successful carrer behind him maybe it would deserve praise. The order is largely because I don't think getting relegated was as bad as sacking SBR and bringing in Souness. You speak about the player being sold etc, but i didn't like any of them, they were either over rated, over paid, injury prone or French.

1 Souness 2 Fred (04-07) 3 Fat Sam 4 Mort 5 Llabias 6 Ashley 7 Shola

One thing i picked up on this season is the Championship teams are desperate for loan signings, we should be using them to help develop anyone we think has potential. Man-u have been doing it for years. Ranger certainly looks like he could do with a few seasons loaned out.

Young foriegn player who is being touted around by an agent on the cheap after his club is relegated. Smells like Wise to me....

How on earth was Bassong a Keegan signing?

who was the other?

you can't expect any manager to pull too many rabbits out of the hat if you don't supply him with the funds. ..or if he doesn't stick around long enough