Phil

I think you are over selling the value of a degree and under selling the value of A levels. The catch 22 well be there for both. As an employer I would rather hire an A level student on less money who is keen to learn than a know it all uni grad who knows next to nowt. fwiw, I do agree placement degree are a definitely the best of both worlds. Just worth giving serious consideration to the alternatives, especially if you arent moving away from home. So basically you are saying University is a waste of time (except for socialising) based on your own preferences and opinions as a small IT company employer and not much else? You can accuse me of nit-picking all you like, but I think this has more to do with you not admitting you were wrong more than anything else. Your description of University graduates as 'know it all uni grad who knows next to nowt' speaks for your own prejudices too. What was the phrase you used in the politic thread, strawman? I said life experience, like; > managing your own budget > having your own place > paying bills > buying and using living items (food, washing powder etc) > realising the trade off between work/play All these and more help build you as a person and cant be realised if you stay at home. Obviously there are merits to going to Uni, i just said if you are doing a course like IT (or i'll add HR, Accounts) there are other qualifications you can sit.

I think you are over selling the value of a degree and under selling the value of A levels. The catch 22 well be there for both. As an employer I would rather hire an A level student on less money who is keen to learn than a know it all uni grad who knows next to nowt. fwiw, I do agree placement degree are a definitely the best of both worlds. Just worth giving serious consideration to the alternatives, especially if you arent moving away from home. have you tried looking for a job with Alevels and no degree? if you get a levels you HAVE to go to uni, otherwise you are genuinely better off getting into the world of work after your GCSEs, A levels are pratically useless when it comes to getting a job, employers dont want them, youve no degree but youre 18 so training you costs more. Oh c'mon, that's utter bollocks on every level! There's a massive difference between employing a 16 year old with GCSE's and an 18 year with A level. A levels are hard, how can you belittle them.

Presumably, though, you'd still rather hire a uni grad who's keen to learn than an A level student who knows nowt? Or do you really think that a university education makes everyone dumber and a worse human being to boot? I dont think all grads are like the young ones. More that neither are really up to working environment without training and the salary of a Uni grad is 20k, whereas a-level are on around 12-15k.

No chance They wont keep five top forwards on their books. If i was a betting man I'd say Anelka to PSG or Drogba/Kalou to Spurs

Pardew confirmed we put a bid in for Modibo Maiga http://www.teamtalk.com/newcastle-united/7...ted-with-Barton Buy cheap, buy twice.

Lukaku made official at Chelsea. that means they have five top strikers Drogba, Anelka, Sturridge, Kalou, Torres and Lukaku. One has to be heading out the door.

The more this window goes on the more it seems he has nothing to do with transfers. Wonder how long it'll take the press to figure it out and they stop asking him questions.

I think you are over selling the value of a degree and under selling the value of A levels. The catch 22 well be there for both. As an employer I would rather hire an A level student on less money who is keen to learn than a know it all uni grad who knows next to nowt. fwiw, I do agree placement degree are a definitely the best of both worlds. Just worth giving serious consideration to the alternatives, especially if you arent moving away from home.

Ah ok. my bad.

You might want to spend more than 5 minutes researching your course then. Information Systems is a science degree, but it's closer to the Arts side than Engineering. I suspect that course is a science as it has web design. http://prospectus.ulster.ac.uk/course/?id=8095#The I'd give their placements department a ring and ask to see what jobs they currently have (ask for job description as they may over sell) - I'd put money on almost all of them being with web design companies. Any particular area of Programming, as they have loads of degrees that look more relevant?

Are you saying current figure will be the same as future ones? As much as you want to win a debate through knit picking, the guy wants to do an IT degree in web design. So please think about the relevance of the tripe you are pushing. Doctor, lawyer, accountant, teacher etc... ALL have to do post graduate course. And most will say they started their education started when they got into practice. Even a cursory glance through the IT jobs at my place shows requirement of a degree as an entry qualification. Of course there's more to Uni than just the social life, whatever you study. And you can't do a postgraduate qualification without being a graduate ffs. So you're going to ignore the situation we are talking about in favour of knit picking. I'll pass on that pointless debate, thanks. You might want to try searching a bit harder. Sure some will ask for a degree, but most don't. In IT you always go through Agents, who almost always talk the hiring manager down. http://www.reed.co.uk/job/searchresults.as...rue&da=8630 http://www.reed.co.uk/job/searchresults.as...rue&da=8630

The only reason to go to Uni is for the life experience, and you simply wont get that if you stay at home. I'd seriously consider not doing an IT degree they'll teach you nothing of worth. You'd be better off sitting the Microsoft, Cisco and Citrix exams and build a few VM's -download Microsoft Official Course (MOC) and exams from visualcertexam.com you'll soon get the hang of it. If you get the certs and do all the Microsoft courses you'll should be a shoe in for a small company IT dept. Go down the Uni route and you'll end up in a call center. ** edit ** just seen the course is geared towards websites; http://prospectus.ulster.ac.uk/course/?id=8095 All you need is here; http://www.webmonkey.com/tutorials/ Saw its a sandwich course, so not as bad as some courses. I'd still look to get the certs to stand out. Depends what he wants to do, if you think having an msce etc is going to fair better going in for a job than a degree you are mental imo, most shortlisting is "degree or X#years Experience+those types of certs" I cringe when i get emails with the Mr blah DeBlah MS.CE etc on them Developments where the cash is (was cisco certified and never bothered using it) not that i'm saying the courses will be any use (software engineering like i said would be but the others i never thought much of) if i'd the choice of student with it course and msce's or a student with a soft engi degree whose spent a year working for Sun or something i'd take #2 everytime. I'm not comparing a degree to an MCSE (which don't exist anymore). I compared it to having Microsoft, Citrix and Cisco exams with four years experience working on the job in a small company with an experience IT manager. I guess we differ on how we'd hire. I'd want someone who could do the job. A IT Uni grad will have to blag it - as working in labs is no comparison. The sandwich element is the only thing of worth in the degree. But i suspect the course is too broad to pick up any real skills. I guess the telling question is ow many small businesses are hiring in the area.

Are you saying current figure will be the same as future ones? As much as you want to win a debate through knit picking, the guy wants to do an IT degree in web design. So please think about the relevance of the tripe you are pushing. Doctor, lawyer, accountant, teacher etc... ALL have to do post graduate course. And most will say they started their education started when they got into practice.

It'd be an Ashley all time low if we have the Carroll and Enrique money and no left back come Sept 1st. I'd honestly be surprised if Ashley left us without a left back. Even if its a loan for Bertrand or van Aanholt.

cant be done.

The only reason to go to Uni is for the life experience, and you simply wont get that if you stay at home. I'd seriously consider not doing an IT degree they'll teach you nothing of worth. You'd be better off sitting the Microsoft, Cisco and Citrix exams and build a few VM's -download Microsoft Official Course (MOC) and exams from visualcertexam.com you'll soon get the hang of it. If you get the certs and do all the Microsoft courses you'll should be a shoe in for a small company IT dept. Go down the Uni route and you'll end up in a call center. the ONLY reason? what an unmitigated load of arsegravy Care to back that statement up?

The only reason to go to Uni is for the life experience, and you simply wont get that if you stay at home. I'd seriously consider not doing an IT degree they'll teach you nothing of worth. You'd be better off sitting the Microsoft, Cisco and Citrix exams and build a few VM's -download Microsoft Official Course (MOC) and exams from visualcertexam.com you'll soon get the hang of it. If you get the certs and do all the Microsoft courses you'll should be a shoe in for a small company IT dept. Go down the Uni route and you'll end up in a call center. ** edit ** just seen the course is geared towards websites; http://prospectus.ulster.ac.uk/course/?id=8095 All you need is here; http://www.webmonkey.com/tutorials/ Saw its a sandwich course, so not as bad as some courses. I'd still look to get the certs to stand out.

You should give it a whirl Phil. Step into the beyond...Toontastic's very own Space Monkey

Looks pretty good, but so did Google Wave. Has anyone used it before. How reliable is it? I use Skype a lot, which is unreliable inbound (often redirect to voice mail), flawless outbound and massively lacking in features.

i think we'll get one, but it'll be from the Championship. Someone like Maynard or Emnes.

Life in the fast lane, no email alerts for me at night

Good point. Difference was, it was working and if it aint broke, don't fix it. But they tried to anyway... Agreed, I guess it come down to the manager, if he's happy and its working then its fine. What stands out to me over the Llambias/Pardew reign is I dont think any of the players have left on particularly good terms. Carroll, Campbell, Nolan, Routledge, Enrique, Xisco, Forster.

See this is it for me I've been wanting Krul to get the #1 and if i was harper i wouldn't have wanted to stay either, which is fair enough. My problem is them letting F.F fuck off to celtic and bringing in some league 1 also ran who couldn't get a game for charlton... thats just suicidal at the back if Krul gets any sort of proper injury that keeps him out for a while. Forster said he didn't want to sit on the bench, after his pre season I imagine Celtic were the only interested team. Another season of games will help him improve and for the cynics raise his value. It seems odd to have him on the bench on Saturday, I can only think Forster asked for a move.

Timeriffic is one of the more useful app i use. It allows you to auto control the volume for notifications, ringer and vibrate. Pretty handy to silent the phone at night from email alerts.