AgentAxeman

Thats not the reason why they have them here. meebes i'm missing the point here. why are id cards needed in the 1st place if it does the same job as a passport? (which you already have).

Well good for them. Those Personalausweise here are quite handy, too. Can't understand the fuzz about it. whats this? (bolded bit) German version of the personal id card. so is this in addition to a passport?, or does it replace it?

Well good for them. Those Personalausweise here are quite handy, too. Can't understand the fuzz about it. whats this? (bolded bit) edit: never mind, just looked it up.

21? 26, bugga!! getting owld!! btw, in the words of the nike ad.......... JUST DO IT!!

so are these id cards in addition to a passport or do they replace them??

yup correct, but if you actually read the article instead of just looking at the words 'daily mail' (actually sunday mail article) you'll notice that there is absolutely no denial that id cards are required and desired by the eu. ergo, we're gonna get em, no matter what any bullshit politician tells ya! the eu dictates, the member countrys conform. plans for id cards are rolling out all europe. what makes us different?? Rob W, are you employed by the eu in some capacity?? edit: During the UK Presidency of the EU in 2005 a decision was made to: "Agree common standards for security features and secure issuing procedures for ID cards (December 2005), with detailed standards agreed as soon as possible thereafter. In this respect, the UK Presidency has put forward a proposal for EU-wide use of biometrics in national ID cards." this relates directly to the quotes above.

about 1 1/2 yrs. always change the number every renewal

Full of shite, ffs, he's off to arsenal every transfer window. cant remember 1 transfer window when there has'nt been 'interest' from wenger. anyhoo, did he end up scoring? or did he kick her full power over the bar!!!

just seen this on SSN. hope to god its true

From 2006. shows the government/eu was thinkin about them back then and most probably before. i know its the mail but sometimes they get things right!! Government taking EU lead over ID cardsLast updated at 09:46 26 March 2006 A fresh row over ID cards has erupted after a leaked Home Office memo showed that the Government is trying to cover up the way the scheme is linked to new EU laws. The memo obtained by The Mail on Sunday reveals that ID cards are to be launched in 2009 as the timing fits in with passport changes in the rest of Europe. It says this is being kept secret for 'political reasons' - and because the Blair Government is copying the EU changes although it has the legal right to refuse. The disclosure comes in the middle of a tug-of-war between the Commons and Lords over Government moves to force millions of Britons to obtain ID cards. Home Secretary Charles Clarke has been accused of breaking a Labour manifesto pledge that the cards would be "voluntary" after insisting that, from 2009, everyone who applies for or renews their passport will have to obtain an ID card too. The leaked memo written by Home Office ID cards policy chief Stephen Harrison advises Mr Clarke on how to defeat the latest Lords bid to reject compulsory biometric ID cards, which will contain fingerprints, "eyeprints" and a facial scan. It says the Government has not given the full facts about the timing of the ID cards scheme, "whereas it would really be linked with implementation of the EU directive (which we intend to mirror) probably around 2009". The memo indicates that by then EU biometric passports will be "the norm throughout Europe (though politically I think it would be difficult to have an explicit link with an EU directive - especially one from which we are technically excluded)". Under the Schengen Agreement of 1985, Margaret Thatcher won the right for Britain to retain control over borders and passports from the EU. Shadow Home Secretary David Davis said last night: "The cat is out of the bag on ID cards. The Government has constantly changed its mind over why ID cards are being introduced and what they are for. Until now they have always said that they are being brought in for the good of the country. "This memo reveals the truth: this whole exercise is subordinate to a European Union diktat. Furthermore it is one which we do not even have to obey." A Home Office spokesman said: "There is no secret plot. We always made it clear that one of the reasons for having biometric passports is that the EU and the US are making similar changes. "The link between new passports and ID cards in Britain is not because of the EU directive, it is caused by other factors such as the amount of time it will take to obtain Royal Assent for the legislation." The campaign to stop ID cards being made compulsory will be boosted this week by Lady Thatcher's former Cabinet Secretary Lord Armstrong. The independent peer has tabled an amendment supported by Tory and Lib Dem peers which would give people the right to opt out of having to apply for an ID card when they apply for a new passport or renew an existing one. "I believe this is an important issue of personal freedom," he said. But Labour officials say Mr Clarke is determined to force through the new law, if necessary by using the Parliament Act to crush rebel peers.

Good news if its true. but i aint holding my breath.......................

This obsession with data what the fuck is it about anyway? Nobody reads it (they'd have to hire an army of admin clerks).... Brazil, fookin gr8!! film! oh, and id cards? they'll probably rear their ugly heads again cos the Eu is pushing for them.

There's that data about serious assaults on teachers by pupils, that perfectly matches the withdrawal of discipling from schools in the UK over the years. Much like chimps (in fact exactly like chimps), if allowed to run riot they do run riot and turn into pretty dysfunctional adults as well. Spot on!

Think they said last night on the BBC that Murrays beaten everyone thats left in the draw so you never know. still stickin with my prediction of SF's

Ok, I hope he doesn't but it and we have MA for another 2 years. Eh? Have a cup of coffee, Parky man! I reckon he's had 1 too many already!!!

NOT!

what a daft statement!! whos to say the replacements would be any better!! I'd rather have experienced shit than inexperienced shit!! oh, and i'm not mentioning class sizes etc.. FFS!! and also, dont blame the teachers for all the ills. both present and past governments have constantly fucked about with the system for years and its difficult to take on a 12 yr project (education of a child) if the goalposts are being constantly moved!! lastly, remember, its almost impossible to educate someone who doesnt want to be educated. no discipline left in schools now so you cant force children if they dont want to learn!! back to the thread - BEST IN EUROPE!!!! YOU'RE HAVING A F*CKING LAUGH AINT YA!!!!!!

But canny bad swimmers, I'm reliably told by one IOC member. dont know how true this is but i was told its bcos the bone structures in the ankles/feet are slightly different. meaning one is better for running and one is better for swimming. you see, we're not all the same under the skin!!

WTF???

Call of Ktulu - Metallica

LOVENKRANDS KEEN ON SUNDERLAND Posted 26/06/09 15:18EmailPrintSave Denmark international Peter Lovenkrands has hinted he could cross the divide between Newcastle and Sunderland. The 29-year-old, who spent the second half of last season at St James' Park on a short-term contract, has been linked with the Black Cats in recent days. He told Danish newspaper BT: "Sunderland is certainly an interesting club. The city is near Newcastle, where we have settled fine, and it would be attractive to stay in northern England. "I would not mind to continue to play in England and particularly in the Premier League." I hope the fucka's get him. Spineless twat that he is

one things for sure my bands gonna get some free publicity

RIP

Caught in a mosh - Anthrax