AgentAxeman

Got a Facebook invite to this. thought i would share it with ya'all just in case! Fed up of Simon Cowell's latest karaoke act being Christmas No.1? Me too... So who's up for a mass-purchase of the track 'KILLING IN THE NAME' from December 13th (DON'T BUY IT YET!) as a protest to the X-Factor bollocks? http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/group.p...;gid=2228594104

Given the coverage we get it's to be expected that axeman sees 'our' torturing of innocent civilians as something clean, with no lasting effects, done with a grave heart only out of extreme necessity for the greater good of humanity. While 'their' torture of innocent civilians and soldiers is a particular kind of evil, without purpose, which stems from a barbaric bloodlust that is inseperable from their religion. isnt it?? thats a joke btw! (just in case) you guys are funny!

Humanitarian? Definitley the wrong word for what the US show their 'prisoners'. What makes you say the US keep them alive? That's completely false. The difference is, Al Qaeda (for want of a better all encompassing word) release the footage, the US restrict the media and sweep it under the carpet. I didnt know that (probably due to the media ban i would assume). Torture is still wrong, but neither side will stop doing it. no amount of hand wringing by the likes of you and i will change that. as i said earlier, Shitty "Both sides do it" is not a cogent argument when we are the invading, occupying force killing anyone that objects, as well as lots who don't. I thought we were there as liberators??? The very notion. That's one thing Obama has done like, stop spouting that shitty line. as well as sending more troops in i guess...........

Humanitarian? Definitley the wrong word for what the US show their 'prisoners'. What makes you say the US keep them alive? That's completely false. The difference is, Al Qaeda (for want of a better all encompassing word) release the footage, the US restrict the media and sweep it under the carpet. I didnt know that (probably due to the media ban i would assume). Torture is still wrong, but neither side will stop doing it. no amount of hand wringing by the likes of you and i will change that. as i said earlier, Shitty "Both sides do it" is not a cogent argument when we are the invading, occupying force killing anyone that objects, as well as lots who don't. I thought we were there as liberators???

Humanitarian? Definitley the wrong word for what the US show their 'prisoners'. What makes you say the US keep them alive? That's completely false. The difference is, Al Qaeda (for want of a better all encompassing word) release the footage, the US restrict the media and sweep it under the carpet. I didnt know that (probably due to the media ban i would assume). Torture is still wrong, but neither side will stop doing it. no amount of hand wringing by the likes of you and i will change that. as i said earlier, Shitty

I think you missed my point (perhaps intentionally). Torturing people doesn't help keep ANYONE safe. Consider if you were a peaceful farmer minding your sheep and a relative of yours was plucked off the streets of Baghdad, rendered to Cuba, and tortured to death without charge or trial. Would that make you more or less likely to take up the fight against the people that did it? I take your point Happy and i agree with you that torture is not a good thing. dont forget tho that both sides partake in torture. normally without the humanitarian (if that is the correct word) aspect that the US shows its 'prisoners' in that they remain alive afterwards. Again, i reiterate, torture is WRONG. but that will never stop people from doing it. If you're in it to win it, you'll do anything! ask Thiery Henry

tbf Happy, i dont think you can compare Guantanamo to the other concentration/death camps mentioned in this thread. scary stats there. not sure what i would answer to those questions as i have relatives in the army who have been on front line duties. So a little bit of torture and murder is ok? At least he had the good grace to put a respectable face on his torture programs. I'd have thought that having family on the front line would ensure your opposition to the use of torture, given it's power as recruitment propaganda for radical jihadi's. i dont recall saying torture was ok? but if the information gained by the 'intelligence services' has helped save the lives of my relatives on the front line then i guess it puts me in a bit of a quandry. ie. its wrong but i'll gladly take the wrong to protect my own. a shitty state of affairs to be sure, but i dont know anybody that would sacrifice a member of their own family for the sake of their 'principles'. Have you got any hard proof of that? of course not, what a stupid question. But have you any hard proof that it hasnt? I dont agree with torture. I believed I had made that clear. Parky = WUM

saw this on another site Southampton fan singing "Pay up Pompey, Pompey pay up!"

tbf Happy, i dont think you can compare Guantanamo to the other concentration/death camps mentioned in this thread. scary stats there. not sure what i would answer to those questions as i have relatives in the army who have been on front line duties. So a little bit of torture and murder is ok? At least he had the good grace to put a respectable face on his torture programs. I'd have thought that having family on the front line would ensure your opposition to the use of torture, given it's power as recruitment propaganda for radical jihadi's. i dont recall saying torture was ok? but if the information gained by the 'intelligence services' has helped save the lives of my relatives on the front line then i guess it puts me in a bit of a quandry. ie. its wrong but i'll gladly take the wrong to protect my own. a shitty state of affairs to be sure, but i dont know anybody that would sacrifice a member of their own family for the sake of their 'principles'.

Nile Ranger's the other end of the scale for me re: fans' reactions. He's shown a bit of graft and potential so far but he hasn't even scored for us yet in a competitive game and he's perceived by many as being a player who should be getting a starting berth. Before anyone jumps all over this I'm not writing him off in any way but there already seems to be a fair bit of weight of expectation on the lad's shoulders yet in reality he's done nothing so far. has he got a senior goal for us yet?

spot on by Alex, unfortunately

tbf Happy, i dont think you can compare Guantanamo to the other concentration/death camps mentioned in this thread. scary stats there. not sure what i would answer to those questions as i have relatives in the army who have been on front line duties.

yeah, and................. And do you oppose our democratic process? Btw, the same rules apply to the tories! Would you like to see a directly elected president of the UK or Europe? The latter obviously couldn't work but the former may have legs if we abolish the monarchy. I reckon you'd like nothing better Renton! you already know my thoughts on G.Brown and especially on how he came to power. and i'm not really certain you can call it a 'democratic' process anymore unfortunately. never mind, we shall all grow old safe in the knowledge that people we dont know, have never heard of and we have no choice but to accept are taking care of us! This geezer you posted the pic of is the least of our problem. The fact that the vast majority of UK voters who actually bother to vote (don't know about the rest of europe), haven't got a fuckin' clue about their local MEP is laughable imo. Have you? i voted last time round but i have no idea who won. as such, i have no idea who my MEP is.

bit touchy this morning are we? tbf switzerlands population is only 7.8 million (according to wiki). if we had the same process here (petitions) then the number of signatories would have to be proportionally higher i would guess. maybe 1 million? hypothetical question i know. apparently Italy's right wing parties are trying to get in on the act as well. not much of a shock really. More people than that vote on the x-factor. Do you want Jedward able to influence policy? The wife's friend referred to them as 'Twit' and 'Twat'; which was rather rude, I thought, seeing as we were having sex at the time. you were having sex with the wifes friend? whats was his name??

bit touchy this morning are we? tbf switzerlands population is only 7.8 million (according to wiki). if we had the same process here (petitions) then the number of signatories would have to be proportionally higher i would guess. maybe 1 million? hypothetical question i know. apparently Italy's right wing parties are trying to get in on the act as well. not much of a shock really. More people than that vote on the x-factor. Do you want Jedward able to influence policy? cant do much worse than the current bunch of clowns!!

not at all, my opinion of him hasnt changed even after his 'wonderful' 2 goals last weekend. tell you what codboy, if he gets more than 1 goal per 2.5 games from now til the end of season i'll write an open letter of apology to him. Fair enough? and i'm not massive, im actually quite svelt! but i do occasionally read/look at the pics (delete as desired) the daily mail, along with many other fine publications.

yeah, and................. And do you oppose our democratic process? Btw, the same rules apply to the tories! Would you like to see a directly elected president of the UK or Europe? The latter obviously couldn't work but the former may have legs if we abolish the monarchy. I reckon you'd like nothing better Renton! you already know my thoughts on G.Brown and especially on how he came to power. and i'm not really certain you can call it a 'democratic' process anymore unfortunately. never mind, we shall all grow old safe in the knowledge that people we dont know, have never heard of and we have no choice but to accept are taking care of us!

Rob W - idiot of the decade tbh!

yeah, and.................

Hi guys, spotted this and thought i would share it with everyone (puts hard hat on)

"If a week is a long time in politics, it can be an even longer time in football – just ask Marlon Harewood. Seven days ago at Deepdale, the on-loan Aston Villa striker was the man the travelling support thought should have made way, rather than Andy Carroll. Chris Hughton's decision elicited boos. Yet at St James' Park on Saturday Harewood left the field to applause from Newcastle United fans, having struck twice in the 3-0 win over Swansea City, with Peter Lovenkrands also finding the net. The 30 year-old is now keen to extend his loan at the Championship leaders. "I'm here until January, and I'd love to have it extended," said Harewood. "I'd love to be part of this for the rest of the season." It was new arrival Harewood who bore the brunt of fans' anger after Newcastle stumbled last month, but Hughton's team responded to back-to-back defeats by embarking on a five-game winning run. "I don't score goals to prove anyone wrong, I do it for myself and for my team mates," added Harewood. "As long as my team-mates and the manager tell me I'm doing well, that's what matters to me."

UV over on N-O kindly mocked up the hat... ..and one for Moat too...