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I’ve never had anything to do with momentum. Some of the stuff they do is helpful but I have a lot of gripes. Some of the kids are too young to have any idea of the transformation the country undertook and how the poorest in society benefitted. They used terms like “blue labour” to describe anyone remotely pragmatic, it’s harmful. They describe basic policies & principles as “radical” which does a lot of harm, especially with older voters. Welfare reforms to ensure people aren’t dying in their homes or kids aren’t going to school malnourished aren’t “radical” they’re the very least the government should be doing for their people.

the cheek to have a go at Burnley‘s style of football...

Ronny Gill headline writer: "I need a shite. Lee, will you sort the puma headline for me?" Knight Ryder: "Nee bother, wor kid. I can see the headline now, 'Newcastle 2020-21 jerseys to be not made by puma!' Up here for thinking, doon there for dancing."

1. Looks like we're getting someone other than puma next year to make our shirts. 2. Wonder who's going to do it next? 3. The Ronny Gill headline.

The Iraq war was a colossal foreign policy fuck up. I marched against it in London and didn’t vote Labour in the following two elections, in protest. However, it isn’t the only thing that defines the Blair government. As shameful as it was, it is a real shame some see it as his only defining legacy. His achievements should have been talked up on the campaign trail, not disowned. It could have been used to appeal to floating voters - remember that decade under a labour government before the global financial crisis, it was quite good, wasn’t it? Blair is a social democrat. His policies won elections and improved people’s lives. It’s a shame the Corbyn cult chose to ignore that.

Shame Corbyn and his crew couldn’t bring themselves to talk up ANY of Blair’s achievements in office. You know, that time when life this country was actually alright. There were even momentum videos putting Blair’s face alongside Cameron and May - as if he was a bad guy too. Disowning the most successful labour leader of a generation has been one of momentum’s biggest strategic fuck ups.

And this is why we are fucking doomed to a far right tory government forever. I'm now one of the older posters on this board, I remember with absolute clarity the Thatcher years, Michael Foot, Millitant, and Hatton. I'm old enough to remember what it took for Kinnock, Smith and then Blair to reform the party and get elected. I'm old enough to have witnessed the transformation Blair made to this country. And I am acutely aware of history repeating itself. Massive respect for the likes of Tom for being on the door steps fighting for what he believes in. Zero respect for the like of J69 who snipe from the sidelines with their ideological bullshit while the country burns.

How much was on the back of your legs?

12th in League 1. Is this another weekend where they end up in their club's lowest ever position?

I’ve just had a shite so dense NASA have put it in the Small Bodies of the Solar System List. Minimal residues, three wipes and pristine. You’re very welcome.

We can hardly complain about playing shite but winning...

It’s all the Jews and the media’s fault, of course it is

Talked to my Dad about this this morning as it happens. I think it was a huge issue. People in this country are naturally small c conservatives. The manifesto was way too ambitious. This is also true from a practical perspective. You can't turn on the money taps and spend efficiently over that timeframe.

I think Blair’s legacy gets stronger & stronger every single day we have to tolerate the cruelty of tory austerity. Theres a video of Gordon Brown doing the rounds on twitter where he rattles off all the achievements of new labour and in the current climate it really is quite spectacular.

I think him or someone like him was necessary in taking the party away from centrism. Probably where the mistake was in his not leaving post-2017. I also agree about there not being any easy solutions/ alternatives. But Labour didn’t need to win, they just needed to stop those cunts from winning. That was definitely up for grabs with a better leader. Whether the Momentum fanatics would ever have realised that is a different matter of course.

And this is why, if you want people to come back to Labour, you forget about your period of self-reflection, immediately get shot of Corbyn, and thereby remove any implication that the new leader has just been installed by him.

They all deserve the shit sandwich they're going to be served up but never mind that, Meenzer hasn't even tried to add me on Facebook. Think of all the great, left-wing patter I was throwing out over the last two days and he's denied me another like. Worse than shite.

So I went in to the butchers today and said, ” I bet you £3000 you can’t reach that beef on the top shelf” He said “ Sorry mate, no bet, the steaks are too high.”

I'd echo Monkey Fist, plus the walk from Panis to St James' should get her excited for the match as there'll be a sea of people heading that way.

Nothing like a one-wiper. One of life’s rare pleasures - the sort of clean break turd that you only wipe once and even then only to be safe and check because you’re already 100% confident there’s nowt on the paper. Naturally your look in the bowl to admire the specimen before flushing

Been on a Tom McRae binge, finding his cheery worldview just what i need atm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWh5N-jKST8

It’s been a shite week, this album always puts me in a good mood, so… https://youtu.be/j21pUaInxWo ( It’s Mario’s Cafe, opening track of So Tough by Saint Etienne, YouTube links are still fucky on here).

Give Bruce a chance

The next time someone tells you Dyche should be considered by a big club, kick them in the cock. Horrible team, playing horrible football who won today courtesy of a shite referee

Acid.

Replay showed he dived. Cheating bastards

Its going to be a long 6 weeks without ASM

Poor keeping for the goal, but it was a foul leading to the corner. VAR not interested? Joelinton managing to be more anonymous in the position he's used to. Atsu being Atsu. May as well swap the pair of them for Gayle and Muto

"Bards"

He was almost there, just couldn’t quite manage to get those words in the right order

How do we wrestle control off Momentum? Sign up to Labour now, if you want to change anything.

Aye but then again Corbyn would never have been able to get into government. Honestly, you kill a few hundred thousand Iraqis and you never hear the end of it.

I heard the 9.45 from Rome to Turin was always late. Notorious for it.

I think that was the plan mooted in 2017 - franchise expiration works for the trains but maybes not for the others as it happens.

Errrr, I think that’s exactly what Labour were proposing. I mean it really says something about how the message was delivered when that wasn’t made clear to someone like you.

I agree up.to a point nut why does it have to be centrist to win? Against Major, Blair had to be just a bit different to capitalise on the sense that the tories had been in too long. Now we have a tory party that's moved some distance to the right and a centre vote that's collapsed. I honestly think your brand of unambitious centrism will not be enough to do any good. I've read a few things about the visceral hatred of Corbyn among older voters which I understand and accept. Given the radicalism of the younger army of members I don't see why a better leader with a more realistic but still ambitious agenda can't do well. I'd also point out that while disastrous in seat terms, from a numerical and share pov there have been worse so to abandon all hope is premature.

I know I keep going back to it but you can’t help anyone or change anything if you don’t get into power.

It’s really nice and not expensive either. For lunch you get a slice of pizza for less than £3 which is quarter of a 16 inch pizza. Worth ordering ahead of an evening as it gets pretty busy especially on a Friday or Saturday

I tend to agree with the first point here- this was Brexit Referendum disguised as an election. The new labour leader can’t ignore the left if they want to keep the party from eating itself. Quite how they do that I don’t know.

I still don't see what the answer was. When all that shitshow of a Tory party had to do to win a landslide was commit to Brexit then I doubt a more charismatic leader would have made much difference. People were too entrenched on the issue and the result inevitable. The new leader needs to abandon the left or will just be branded Corbyn-lite in the media. People will lap it up of course

Yis

Oh is this today

Oddly if you look at the polls they were the same at the beginning and end of the campaign. So maybe most policies didn’t even matter. Also, if you look at historical surveys, people may align themselves with Labour policies and still not vote for them for a variety of reasons that probably aren’t worth going into at this juncture. What’s clear to me is that two things overwhelmingly dominated the campaigns - Brexit and the leaders. On the former, whatever side you agree with, Johnson was crystal clear on his view and has been for some time. Corbyn came across as a ditherer who didn’t believe in his own policy (I do accept he was dealt a very difficult hand btw). So, when you break it down Johnson trounced Corbyn on both counts. I struggle to get my head round it (even as someone who can’t stand Corbyn for not having the vision to stand down earlier) but there’s no denying it.

He's the biggest problem. That's supported by every survey I've seen and it's supported by every Labour MP that's been asked about their experience on the doorstep. He needs to go and go fast.

I also worry that this gives a mandate to the new Labour leader to lurch back to the centre. Whilst Corbyn had his issues I still feel the majority of his policies (bar Brexit) were spot on. We could do without Tory lite Labourites getting a hold of the party.

Kill me, kill me now

Gayle doesnt play in league one mate

She gets called 'Rainbow' because her fanny is like Zippy's mouth.