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Merry Titmas young fellow-me-lad!

"strong and stable" party billboard van overturns in the wind. poetic http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/election-tory-strong-stable-van-overturns-conservatives-theresa-may-advert-a7776136.html

Oh get your tongue out of his ass, Rayvin.

Pretty sure this thread only picked up its HOT! status in the last ten minutes.

Howay, you must know by now when I'm on the wind-up. A bit, anyway.

Right. Rentons looking well That makes the realeased prisoner Rayvin

Them and the PLP. I've noticed with interest the Guardian's u-turn over Corbyn in recent weeks. Although I want to set out that Corbyn's views won't appeal to everyone if not filtered through the media. The 1% for instance.

Corbyn needed to meet them halfway and understand that his election was as a figurehead of a particular movement rather than a tacit endorsement of everything he stands for. Form a left-leaning coalition within Labour, if you like, but still with Corbynomics at its heart. That is and remains his mistake.

Also, "thread", as I believe the kids say

Yes, both relative failures but I don't think Kinnock is met with the same invective. He's seen as bridging the gap between the Thatcher landslides and labour being able to win with Blair which I think is fair. Brexit has changed the picture massively, given that result and how it's affected the voters, I can't see any position labour could have taken to make a huge difference. It also has to be said that Scottish devolution was a massive mistake from a UK Labour Party pov given the number of seats lost due to failure to come to terms with the snp.

Is that not because Labour voters like you, both inside and outside the party, spat their dummies out and did their level best to undermine him at every corner. Imagine how well he'd be doing if he had been supported

I still think of Gordon Brown as overall a decent bloke but he's stained by having those same cozy chats with Dacre. I suppose you could say it's pragmatic but it still stinks.

In the UK the government just send the police around to smash up journalists laptops. It's not state dictated reporting, but there's valid reasons we're falling down the press freedom table.