Hughton Sacked

[Guest alex]

Incidentally CT, which managers have been allowed to spend big before being sacked by the current regime?

[Ayatollah Hermione 13766]

If I've got this right, it's better to not give a manager money to spend, then blame the manager for the poor results, then sack him. Since the only alternative is to let a manager spend big then sack him. I'd prefer a happy medium like. Is that really unreasonable?

 

Ashley and Llambias regard themselves as ­knowledgeable football fans, whose opinion is valid on even small tactical matters.

 

tbh.

 

I know you were on about CT but I'm using that as an answer to everything regarding Ashley.

[Guest WDP]

Contrary Twat tbh.

 

 

Typical shit reply tbh

At least you admit it.

Alex and CT is one of the great rivalries of this board I haven't got one now since I signed peace accords with J69, Fish, Sima and Renton.

[jaythesouthernmag 0]

Where would we be if we had only picked up a few points from our next 4 or 5 games, which is a distinct possibility. Relegation zone and sucked into a fight to survive which frankly we didn't do to well in last time.

 

This would be a distinct possibility under any manager considering who we're up against and that we're a newly promoted team. Only now, we'll be doing it under a manger the players don't know or care about.

 

Ashley had a decision to make, either stick with Houghton or look elsewhere. It's obvious he doesn't have the faith required to let Chris have a go and to be honest some of his tactics/subs and purchases have been a bit dodgy. Ben Arfa and Tiote are both class but look at Sol,Pearch and Best, woeful.

 

He was only able to purchase within the means that Ashley allowed him to spend ... so fuck all. What class of player did you expect him to be able to purchase?

 

It's better he's done it know so he can give a new manager a bit of time before the window opens to see who he wants out and tbh there should be a few. If he backs the new guy with 10-15 mil plus what he recoups through sales then I think that's pretty fair.

 

 

Why would he give the new manager any cash if he didn't the last?

 

I would be dissatisfied with any of the names mentioned with the exception of Jol or MON

 

Well, prepare to be dissatisfied ... Why on earth would Jol or O'Neal come to us when they know that there'll be fuck all to spend. Think back to why O'Neal left Villa in the first place.

 

Only time will tell if he is right or wrong but he's the owner and its down to him.

 

Yes, he is ... and God help us, 'cause Ashley certainly won't.

 

On paper, we have a worse squad than what we had when we went down. What we had in our favour was that the squad played as a team, with everyone playing for each other. And that was down to Hughton. \\

 

And now he's gone.

 

How on Earth can anyone think that what Ashley did was correct?

 

Grow a brain.

 

I`m not saying it was right I`m saying he had a decision to make and he made it. Right or wrong only time will tell

 

I wish people would stop making out Houghton is like Mourinho or Fergie. YES he steadied the ship and Yes he got us out of the fizzy pop league and Yes we have had some good results so far this season BUT we have also had some very poor ones too and he has taken 2 points from 15 against the likes of WBA,Blackburn,Fulham and Stoke and before people start banging on about how some of these are established teams and we are newly promoted etc,etc,etc which teams should we be expecting to take points off?

 

Blackpool and WBA have both beaten us 2-0 and 3-1, Stoke turned us over and Fat Sams Blackburn won at SJP is this acceptable just cos we drew against Chelsea and beat Arsenal?

[Christmas Tree 4679]

Seriously though CT. What evidence could you possibly cite that this is well planned? You were gutted Hughton went yesterday and were having a pop at Ashley and now you're putting forward the notion it may all be part of some master plan. And you wonder why you have about as much credibilty and Kevin and Attain.

 

Didnt say I had evidence or that it was the case, just throwing out a different and probably most likely reason for Yesterdays events.

 

There has been a lot of talk of too much player involvement, we know Ashley wanteg to change things back in October. There are already lots of whispers starting to come out. You have even said your grannys cousin is responsible for Tiote and Ben Arfa and not Hughton.

 

If they really didnt have any confidence in Chris because of what goes on behind the scenes, then they have to get rid and find someone they can get behind.

 

All that being the case, I would rather this action was done now, rather than after the Jan window has closed.

 

It may be easy for some to buy into the theory that this was done just because ashley wants to be a twat, but seems a bit far fetched to me.

 

What happens next will make or break this decision.

[Guest alex]

I wish people would stop making shit up to back up their arguments. No one is saying he's like Mourinho or Ferguson. The argument people have made is that he's done just about as well as possible under the circumstances.

[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

Taxi for CT

[Christmas Tree 4679]

If I've got this right, it's better to not give a manager money to spend, then blame the manager for the poor results, then sack him. Since the only alternative is to let a manager spend big then sack him. I'd prefer a happy medium like. Is that really unreasonable?

 

Nope

[Christmas Tree 4679]

Incidentally CT, which managers have been allowed to spend big before being sacked by the current regime?

 

Dear me, nobody mentioned by the current regime.

[Ayatollah Hermione 13766]

I`m not saying it was right I`m saying he had a decision to make and he made it. Right or wrong only time will tell

 

I wish people would stop making out Houghton is like Mourinho or Fergie. YES he steadied the ship and Yes he got us out of the fizzy pop league and Yes we have had some good results so far this season BUT we have also had some very poor ones too and he has taken 2 points from 15 against the likes of WBA,Blackburn,Fulham and Stoke and before people start banging on about how some of these are established teams and we are newly promoted etc,etc,etc which teams should we be expecting to take points off?

 

Blackpool and WBA have both beaten us 2-0 and 3-1, Stoke turned us over and Fat Sams Blackburn won at SJP is this acceptable just cos we drew against Chelsea and beat Arsenal?

 

There should have even been a decision for Ashley to make other than "Does Hughton get a load more money or slightly less loads more money?" Nobody is saying that the results against Blackpool and Stoke weren't dodgy results though, are they? It's your first season back in the Premiership in a year where everyone is beating everyone and he's got results, just not against the teams you'd expect and we're sitting in mid-table approaching Christmas. Are you honestly trying to say, just because he's dropped a few points against "poorer" sides after everything he's accomplished in 14 months, he should be considered for the sack?

[Guest alex]

Seriously though CT. What evidence could you possibly cite that this is well planned? You were gutted Hughton went yesterday and were having a pop at Ashley and now you're putting forward the notion it may all be part of some master plan. And you wonder why you have about as much credibilty and Kevin and Attain.

 

Didnt say I had evidence or that it was the case, just throwing out a different and probably most likely reason for Yesterdays events.

 

There has been a lot of talk of too much player involvement, we know Ashley wanteg to change things back in October. There are already lots of whispers starting to come out. You have even said your grannys cousin is responsible for Tiote and Ben Arfa and not Hughton.

If they really didnt have any confidence in Chris because of what goes on behind the scenes, then they have to get rid and find someone they can get behind.

 

All that being the case, I would rather this action was done now, rather than after the Jan window has closed.

 

It may be easy for some to buy into the theory that this was done just because ashley wants to be a twat, but seems a bit far fetched to me.

 

What happens next will make or break this decision.

No one's really suggesting he did it just to be a twat. It's more people think Ashley is delusional if he thinks the club should be in a better league position with the squad we have.

As for the bit in bold. Graham Carr was my Grandma's cousin and he is chief scout at the club. He did identify both of those players as potential targets which the club then followed up. That's what scouts do.

[Park Life 71]

Tell you what like, it's sad as fuck how may times in the 10 year history of this message board and it's predecessor we've been in this situation saying the same things. You could literally cut and paste the Roeder, Souness, Allardyce, Keegan, JFK etc appointment/dismissal posts into this thread and you'd only need to change the names for it to read seamlessly.

 

What does that tell you?

It's too perpetual?

 

Yeah, we haven't had responsible, intelligent, ownership or managers bar 2 in the critical PL/CL big money era. Once there is ambivalence in the ownership clubs start to struggle, witness the very recent decline of Liverpool and the rise of Spurs. Spurs have had continuity in descsion making at the top for a decade now, which has also seen them overcome a couple of managerial blips.

[Ayatollah Hermione 13766]

Incidentally CT, which managers have been allowed to spend big before being sacked by the current regime?

 

Dear me, nobody mentioned by the current regime.

 

Except for the past 35 pages.

[jaythesouthernmag 0]

I wish people would stop making shit up to back up their arguments. No one is saying he's like Mourinho or Ferguson. The argument people have made is that he's done just about as well as possible under the circumstances.

 

I dont think he has tbh. I agree he did a good job last season and we have have had some good results this season but it doesnt wipe out some of the shit does it?

[Christmas Tree 4679]

Contrary Twat tbh.

 

 

Typical shit reply tbh

At least you admit it.

Alex and CT is one of the great rivalries of this board I haven't got one now since I signed peace accords with J69, Fish, Sima and Renton.

 

 

What you need is a second user name to launch attacks, Guerilla style.

[sweetleftpeg 0]

I wish people would stop making shit up to back up their arguments. No one is saying he's like Mourinho or Ferguson. The argument people have made is that he's done just about as well as possible under the circumstances.

 

Yup. And the reason so many of us are fucked off is because he'll probably be replaced by someone no better than him.

[Guest alex]

Incidentally CT, which managers have been allowed to spend big before being sacked by the current regime?

 

Dear me, nobody mentioned by the current regime.

I know that, but I did. Therefore it highlights the fact that the current owner has now had 3 managers (plus various caretakers) and not one of them has been backed financially. In the case of Keegan this was the owner reneging on the promise made when he was given the job. If you can't see the relevance of that to how things will play out with any future boss then I'm wasting my time here.

[Christmas Tree 4679]

Where would we be if we had only picked up a few points from our next 4 or 5 games, which is a distinct possibility. Relegation zone and sucked into a fight to survive which frankly we didn't do to well in last time.

 

This would be a distinct possibility under any manager considering who we're up against and that we're a newly promoted team. Only now, we'll be doing it under a manger the players don't know or care about.

 

Ashley had a decision to make, either stick with Houghton or look elsewhere. It's obvious he doesn't have the faith required to let Chris have a go and to be honest some of his tactics/subs and purchases have been a bit dodgy. Ben Arfa and Tiote are both class but look at Sol,Pearch and Best, woeful.

 

He was only able to purchase within the means that Ashley allowed him to spend ... so fuck all. What class of player did you expect him to be able to purchase?

 

It's better he's done it know so he can give a new manager a bit of time before the window opens to see who he wants out and tbh there should be a few. If he backs the new guy with 10-15 mil plus what he recoups through sales then I think that's pretty fair.

 

 

Why would he give the new manager any cash if he didn't the last?

 

I would be dissatisfied with any of the names mentioned with the exception of Jol or MON

 

Well, prepare to be dissatisfied ... Why on earth would Jol or O'Neal come to us when they know that there'll be fuck all to spend. Think back to why O'Neal left Villa in the first place.

 

Only time will tell if he is right or wrong but he's the owner and its down to him.

 

Yes, he is ... and God help us, 'cause Ashley certainly won't.

 

On paper, we have a worse squad than what we had when we went down. What we had in our favour was that the squad played as a team, with everyone playing for each other. And that was down to Hughton. \\

 

And now he's gone.

 

How on Earth can anyone think that what Ashley did was correct?

 

Grow a brain.

 

I`m not saying it was right I`m saying he had a decision to make and he made it. Right or wrong only time will tell

 

I wish people would stop making out Houghton is like Mourinho or Fergie. YES he steadied the ship and Yes he got us out of the fizzy pop league and Yes we have had some good results so far this season BUT we have also had some very poor ones too and he has taken 2 points from 15 against the likes of WBA,Blackburn,Fulham and Stoke and before people start banging on about how some of these are established teams and we are newly promoted etc,etc,etc which teams should we be expecting to take points off?

 

Blackpool and WBA have both beaten us 2-0 and 3-1, Stoke turned us over and Fat Sams Blackburn won at SJP is this acceptable just cos we drew against Chelsea and beat Arsenal?

 

 

You can fuck right off with all that common sense jiggery pokery.

[Guest WDP]

Contrary Twat tbh.

 

 

Typical shit reply tbh

At least you admit it.

Alex and CT is one of the great rivalries of this board I haven't got one now since I signed peace accords with J69, Fish, Sima and Renton.

 

 

What you need is a second user name to launch attacks, Guerilla style.

People would suss it's me within 5 minutes Even Peasepud, when I pretended to be Northern Irish when I signed up with this name cos the Stevie one was banned.

[Guest alex]

I wish people would stop making shit up to back up their arguments. No one is saying he's like Mourinho or Ferguson. The argument people have made is that he's done just about as well as possible under the circumstances.

 

I dont think he has tbh. I agree he did a good job last season and we have have had some good results this season but it doesnt wipe out some of the shit does it?

I'm not saying we've played well in every game. The good results where we didn't expect anything plus the Villa and Sunderland games do cancel out the poorer results to an extent though. Are you seriously suggesting you thought we'd be higher up the table and on more points than we currently are as well?

[ChezGiven 0]

Incidentally CT, which managers have been allowed to spend big before being sacked by the current regime?

 

Dear me, nobody mentioned by the current regime.

I know that, but I did. Therefore it highlights the fact that the current owner has now had 3 managers (plus various caretakers) and not one of them has been backed financially. In the case of Keegan this was the owner reneging on the promise made when he was given the job. If you can't see the relevance of that to how things will play out with any future boss then I'm wasting my time here.

Arguably only one of them was ever going to be backed financially.

 

I dont think you can completely rule out e.g. him bringing in Jol and signing Keane from Spurs, he brought in 4 decent players over the summer and handed out improved contracts to the performing players. None of which was predicted.

 

It'll be Pardew now i've said that.

[Christmas Tree 4679]

Seriously though CT. What evidence could you possibly cite that this is well planned? You were gutted Hughton went yesterday and were having a pop at Ashley and now you're putting forward the notion it may all be part of some master plan. And you wonder why you have about as much credibilty and Kevin and Attain.

 

Didnt say I had evidence or that it was the case, just throwing out a different and probably most likely reason for Yesterdays events.

 

There has been a lot of talk of too much player involvement, we know Ashley wanteg to change things back in October. There are already lots of whispers starting to come out. You have even said your grannys cousin is responsible for Tiote and Ben Arfa and not Hughton.

If they really didnt have any confidence in Chris because of what goes on behind the scenes, then they have to get rid and find someone they can get behind.

 

All that being the case, I would rather this action was done now, rather than after the Jan window has closed.

 

It may be easy for some to buy into the theory that this was done just because ashley wants to be a twat, but seems a bit far fetched to me.

 

What happens next will make or break this decision.

No one's really suggesting he did it just to be a twat. It's more people think Ashley is delusional if he thinks the club should be in a better league position with the squad we have.

As for the bit in bold. Graham Carr was my Grandma's cousin and he is chief scout at the club. He did identify both of those players as potential targets which the club then followed up. That's what scouts do.

 

But what if and its not really a big if....that its not for that reason and it is simply because he didnt think Hughton was good enough.

 

What if it was the players picking the team

What if there was no discipline behind the scenes

What if they see no great tactician

What if his team selection has virtually picked itself

And it sounds like he's had very little involvement in team selection

 

Take away alot of that and your left with a very good caretaker who was doing ok.

 

If Ashley sees or hears all this, has no faith in Hughton and wants to push on, prior to the jan window, then he's made the right decision.

 

For example, if Jol gets appointed this week and is given a decent budget for January then I and probably most Newcastle fans will look back on yesterday as a good decision.

 

If its pardew......

[Park Life 71]

I wish people would stop making shit up to back up their arguments. No one is saying he's like Mourinho or Ferguson. The argument people have made is that he's done just about as well as possible under the circumstances.

 

Yeah but he doesn't tell enough jokes or dress like a clown or do little dance steps when Sky are talking to him.

[sweetleftpeg 0]

For example, if Jol gets appointed this week and is given a decent budget for January then I and probably most Newcastle fans will look back on yesterday as a good decision.

 

Oh yeah of course, but will it have been luck rather than judgement? ie was Jol actually lined up or is this just a lucky coincidence?

[jaythesouthernmag 0]

I wish people would stop making shit up to back up their arguments. No one is saying he's like Mourinho or Ferguson. The argument people have made is that he's done just about as well as possible under the circumstances.

 

I dont think he has tbh. I agree he did a good job last season and we have have had some good results this season but it doesnt wipe out some of the shit does it?

I'm not saying we've played well in every game. The good results where we didn't expect anything plus the Villa and Sunderland games do cancel out the poorer results to an extent though. Are you seriously suggesting you thought we'd be higher up the table and on more points than we currently are as well?

 

I expected us to do Sunderland here as I think we will get done there, the Villa scoreline was a surprise but we played them at the right time, that said it was a great performance but we have not had enough of those, we are way to inconsistant. We had 2 shots on target at Arsenal but we worked hard and they were on an off day, we caught Chelsea at the right time too and I really thought we could have won but a point was a good result. Our home form is poor and now our away form is slipping, 8 goals against us v WBA and Bolton.

 

Im not saying Ashley is right I`m just saying he was at a crossroads and had to make a decision, he did and now we have to wait and see. If we get Pardew or someone of that ilk then I will slate him as that isnt a step forward. Jol or MON would be

 

As for the points tally I would say maybe a few more based on the games we have played but its more the recent performances that have worried me